PE - Structure tents

Thu Oct 5 08:52:02 PDT 2000

I to would like to say that I have nothing against Master Terafan,
In fact respect him for his believes. We by no means are we at odds with each other and have talk privately. We would love to have each other sit and visit more face to
face. 
When people loves tents like we do at times we don't see the same side of the fence that the other is looking at. I do feel that the injury to people from stakes is the
lack of people being careful and not marking them well. 
Thank you, Master Terafan for your views and your research you have put into period tents and encampments. 
It is good that we not see the same but still can be good friends. 
Marguerite 

"Barclay, Peter C. MAJ" wrote:
> 
> Greetings from Master Terafan,
> 
>         I realize that Marguerite did not mean to push my button, and I am
> not upset with her.
> 
> She did post some good comments in reply to me note that are valid.
> However, there are also some follow up issues.
> 
> 1) About safety:  I have personally *seen* FAR MORE people hurt by ropes and
> stakes, than I have ever even *heard* about being hurt by pavilinos falling
> over.   I am not sure the comparison is consistent.  Safety is a very
> important aspect and ought to be considered in all the things we do.
> 
> 2) About wet ground/stakes pulling out:  Tents with ropes have the same wet,
> soggy ground as tents without ropes.  The issue here is the intelligence of
> the person putting up the tent and their CHOICE OF STAKES.  The only thing
> the tent really has to do with it is how much wind it catches, and therefore
> how much force it puts on the stakes.
> 
> 3) Just because a pavilion is square does not mean it is not a hub/spoke
> design.  Just last week I was doing the math for Mistress Regina Romsey
> about building a square (10x10) pavilino.  I am absolutely convinced I can
> make a square one and make it look just like the square tents (that have no
> ropes) in the pictures.
> 
> 4) I am not sure Marguerite looked very carefully at the colored picture of
> the round pavilion (from the field of the Cloth of Gold).  You can see the
> rope on the left side of the tent, and there is NO WAY that the rope is what
> is holding the tent in that shape.  The simple laws of physics won't allow
> it.  Something ELSE is holding it out.  The rope may be holding the tent
> down, but something else is holding it out.
> 
> 5) My real problem was with the absolute statement that "they are not
> period"  If we wanted to only go by the things we can clearly see in a
> period drawing/painting, then very few people would be using perimeter poles
> either since you virtually never see them in drawings/paintings.
> 
> 6) One of the things that may have been missed about the hub/spoke design is
> that if it falls over, it does not fall flat like a normal perimeter pole
> pavilion does.  If my pavilino ever falls, the hub will still be 6 feet off
> the ground held up by the spokes.  The center pole will be at an angle and
> will not be lying on top of me, pinning me to the ground.  I will be able to
> move around and get out.  I am not sure the same can be said of perimeter
> pole pavilions.
> 
> I understand how soil types vary.  I would ask everyone to go around your
> next event in sandy soil or in clay mud.  How many people are using those
> plastic Wal-Mart or Coleman stakes??  We would be better off starting a
> thread about the safety advantages of different types of stakes, rather than
> berating people who choose to use a pavilion that doesn't need ropes.
> 
> At last Double Wars, it rained for 7 of the 9 days I was there.  The wind
> never stopped blowing and it sometimes reached as much as 40-45 mph.  I
> NEVER had a problem with my pavilino.  It rocks and shifts and flexes in the
> wind, but that is all.  My rectangular pavilion had to have the ropes
> regularly checked/tightened.  I have made special stakes for it to ensure
> that it will not blow over.  It survived the tornado at Pennsic 5 years ago,
> no problem.  I would bet that my pavilino would have done the same.   I
> would be even happier if I was never able to say "We had a tornado at event
> XYZ..." but such is life.
> 
> respectfully,
> 
>                      Terafan
> 
> Master Rhys Terafan Greydragon           barclayp at eucom.mil
> University Chancellor, brewer and probably other things I can't remember...
> Seneschal, Incipient Shire of Blauwasser
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cherie Nolan [mailto:marguerite at ih2000.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 12:10 AM
> To: periodencampments at ansteorra.org
> Subject: PE - Structure tents
> 
> Sorry I had to say one more thing in this illustration that if you look one
> of the rectangular tents has no structure at all, no ropes, no poles of any
> kind. The picture I
> am talking about is the second wood cutting.  If this is not artist
> rendition then how can you account for more poles at all how is the tent
> held up. There is a horse going
> in side the tent, there is no pole in the opening. If there is a pole they
> didn't put one in, if there was a four pole structure in side then, one at
> each corner then how
> is the horse able to be at the corner where the pole is suppose to be. They
> didn't poles in or ropes. There fore an artist rendition. Also the top wood
> cutting there is
> round with a bed in the middle and a table in the other no poles is drawn
> put in. There is a bed where the center poles is suppose to be. Therefore
> this is an artist
> rendition. In both of these the artist has no accounting for any form of
> structure no ropes and no poles. We know they had to have some but the
> artist decided not to put
> them in. The colored picture of the round, there is ropes and a poles
> therefore it had ropes to support to tent and hold it. There removing the
> idea that they had a
> structure in it that held the sides out. The bottom picture the same thing
> there is no signs of ropes or poles in the picture the artist just didn't
> put them in. If you
> follow the tops of the center pins and look for where the poles would
> usually be placed at for a structure there is done. Just like there is no
> ropes in these pictures you
> are left with this is an artist rendition.
> 
> http://www.greydragon.org/pavilions/othertents.html
> 
> Sorry, we can still be friend but not see the same views. Marguerite
> 
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