[Re: [Re: [Re: PE - Re: Angles large oval wedge?]]]

Wed Oct 18 07:58:22 PDT 2000

Gaul's At one time I really wanted that persona but had a really hard time finding the information.
I knew that they was strongly of the celtic origin which a merging of Flemish. Which was great for my  french background in mundane and my lords Irish blood. Then I saw the
tudor tent and everything change in my and my lords persona. "L". Marguerite

Wendy Freeman/Otte wrote:
> 
> It could have been one Sigtrigg built & Toli used - I spent my first few years
> after meeting them trying to figure out which of them did what - they both
> amazed me on a daily basis.
> 
> So, it wasn't copied from a documentable source?  Darn!  It was one of the
> dryest, strongest tents I had ever seen.  I distinctly remember the sides
> being a series of triangular wedges, with a stake at each sewed "corner" -
> like the bell on the other tents, although maybe made of fewer wedges for a
> steeper angle.
> 
> If Master Sigtrigg remembers his source of inspiration, that would clear up
> the issue - or at least leave it open for others on the list to interpret for
> themselves.
> 
> I'm doing well, except that my 2-bell french 14th Century pavilion is still
> too much for a single Scotswoman to put up by herself.  I'm also moving to an
> earlier persona - during a heatwave in northern Gaul, so I can dress
> appropriately without passing out in the heat.  So, I'm building a new,
> earlier tent, appropriate to 600 A.D.  Sigh...you were right.  Pavilion-making
> *is* addictive.
> 
> --Lady Wyllow
> 
> "Barbara E. Sorenson" <bes at NebrWesleyan.edu> wrote:
> > Hi again Willow,
> >
> > It is also possible that you are referring to a tent that Master Sigtrygg
> > built which was his own original design but based on a viking tent.  I do
> > not believe that it had belled ends however.
> >
> > To my knowledge Toli has not built a tent (I made the one he uses) and
> > while he has done considerable research, he has done very little tent
> > research.
> >
> > How are you?
> >
> > Barbary
> >
> > On 17 Oct 2000, Wendy Freeman/Otte wrote:
> >
> > > Ahh - I just made a discovery - there is an ongoing argument over the
> shape of
> > > this tent.  Here is the issue: look at the two versions of the
> Anglo-Saxon
> > > Geteld.
> > > <http://www.adelphi.edu/~sbloch/sca/tents/taxonomy.html>
> > >
> > > Actually, the one I saw had the ridgepole on the inside, but looked more
> like
> > > the second Geteld tent shown, with the bell ends.
> > >
> > > Still, the issue of a medieval reference is an open question - where did
> > > *these* gentles get their sources?
> > >
> > > --Wyllow
> > >
> > > Wendy Freeman/Otte <wyllow at netscape.net> wrote:
> > > > Sven, you caught me - I have no reference.  The gentle (I think it was
> Toli,
> > > I
> > > > know it was someone from MagMor, Calontir) who built the large oval tent
> had
> > > a
> > > > reputation as an excellent researcher, and I took him at his word.  My
> web
> > > > search, triggered by your challenge (and rightly so) has produced no
> > > obvious
> > > > results.  So, can anyone help me find the reference I am sure exists?
> > > >
> > > > Here is what I remember from my conversation with him, 4 years ago - it
> is
> > > an
> > > > Anglo, Saxon, or both tent from ?before 1000AD?.  It uses no ropes,
> > > depending
> > > > on the cloth of the tent to hold it up - the roof & sides are one cloth.
> 
> > > Its
> > > > shape is more like a huge pup tent, with bells closing either end, and
> a
> > > slit
> > > > cut into the middle of one side for the door.  It resembles the *roof*
> of
> > > the
> > > > french two-bell, reaching to the ground, although the pitch of the roof
> is
> > > a
> > > > lot steeper.
> > > >
> > > > Mira, did you have a reference/picture for the Bell wedge?  The
> timeperiod
> > > > doesn't match, but the description does.
> > > >
> > > > --Wyllow MacMuireadhaigh
> > > >
> > > > "Mira (Tanya Guptill)" <tguptill at teleport.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Stephen Wyley wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Wendy,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am yet to come across such a tent as you describe.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you quote your reference for this Angles large oval wedge?
> > > > >
> > > > > It looks to me like it is the earlier form of a bell wedge, with the
> slit
> > > > door, ala
> > > > > Tudor period.  If I'm correct, you see a lot more of these in period
> than
> > > > the
> > > > > so-called French Bells (more common American Civil War, door is
> > > different,
> > > > althoug
> > > > > there is evidence of the awning/door in Coburg in the mid 1600s).
> > > > >
> > > > > Mira
> > > > >
> > > > > Mira
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > Bye for now,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > (Stephen Francis Wyley)
> > > > > > Fortifications (Dictionary of Military Architecture, etc).
> > > > > > http://www.angelfire.com/wy/svenskildbiter/index.html
> > > > > > Archery, Arms, Armour, Chests, Tents, Trebuchets,
> > > > > > Vikings, Woodwork.
> > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/svenskildbiter/index.html
> > > > > > Arrow Fletching, Turbow Longbows & Yoretymes Emporium of History
> > > > > > http://svenskildbiter.webjump.com/index2.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 2 Oct 00 08:56:11 CDT   Wendy Freeman/Otte wrote:
> > > > > > >The Angles had a one-person-to-raise tent - it was a large oval
> wedge
> > > > with a
> > > > > > >slit door in the center of the long side.  You peg all of the
> sides
> > > down
> > > > > > >first, then take the two poles into the tent, and raise the roof,
> one
> > > > pole at
> > > > > > >a time.  No ropes - all based on tension.  Very few seams, so good
> for
> > > a
> > > > rainy
> > > > > > >climate.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >One problem - I think its timeperiod of use was 700-900AD, maybe
> > > > earlier.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >--Lady Wyllow of the Loch
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com
> > > > > >
> > > >
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> > > > > Go and dare before you die
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