[Ravensfort] Heraldry was Sbandieratori

[Ragan The Horned God]

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was it like that during the Moorish period too? i thought the islamics where
more tolerant towards people from other places (hince the numbers of those
persecuted later *smile*)

but i'm not really sure of names etc.
So Mote it be,
safe journeys
VOX RAGANUS
THE HORNED GOD
KING OF THE FIREMONKEYS
>From: L T
>Reply-To: ravensfort at ansteorra.org
>To: ravensfort at ansteorra.org
>Subject: Re: [Ravensfort] Heraldry was Sbandieratori
>Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:14:40 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Just documenting the Irish helping the Spanish won't work
>You would have to document that an Irish surname was used in
>Spain pre-1600 in conjunction with a Spanish surname...
>for at least 5 instances
>
>the _______ y _______ is very late period...almost post-period
>
>Remember that the Spanish peoples...(who were not a combined
>"country" till 1491) were very egocentric...if a forgiener
>stayed in their country...they would use the Spanish version
>of their name...and maybe give them an epithet meaning from
>whereever or forgiener but would not as far as the College of Heralds
>has been able to find...(and some of the people doing the research
>are professors who's specialty is early Spanish Naming Practices...)
>anywhere in official documents were a person of another nationality
>has kept a forgien name when staying in a Spanish state...
>
>Lorraine
>--- "Olivia G. Rodrigues" wrote:
> > Lorraine,
> >
> > I guess I'll have to do more research. I mean, who helped out the Irish
when England was
> > rousting them about and visa versa? *LOL*
> >
> > BTW, There was a Hugh 'Red' O'Donnell (Chieftain of the O'Donnell's) that
reportedly died at the
> > age of 32, out of disappointment over losing (again) to the English, in
1603 ( I know, post SCA
> > timeline but...). Rumor has it, he faked his death and was reportedly
living in Madrid, married
> > the daughter of a wealthy merchant and had several children.
> >
> > I've been trying to get some documetation from Spain on this...wish I'd
listened more in Spanish
> > II.
> >
> > O.
> > ---
> > Carpe Diem Ex Illo Vitae Opprime!
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 7 May 2002 14:53:45
> > L T wrote:
> > >Yup!
> > >there was no way they could document an Irish name
> > >as half of a Spanish surname...
> > >
> > >--- "Olivia G. Rodrigues" wrote:
> > >> Lorraine,
> > >>
> > >> Do you recall 'the strange' element?
> > >> Was it the O'Donnell "Y" Rodrigues?
> > >>
> > >> BTW, Congrats on the BA.
> > >> ---
> > >> Carpe Diem Ex Illo Vitae Opprime!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, 7 May 2002 14:45:20
> > >> L T wrote:
> > >> >Olivia,
> > >> >
> > >> >I think your device wasn't the problem...it was your name...
> > >> >and you've seemed to have dropped the strange element
> > >> >why don't you try to register it again?
> > >> >
> > >> >Magnes is off the list so you'll have to mail him privately
> > >> >
> > >> >
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