[Ravensfort] Heraldry was Sbandieratori

[L T]

Just documenting the Irish helping the Spanish won't work
You would have to document that an Irish surname was used in
Spain pre-1600 in conjunction with a Spanish surname...
for at least 5 instances

the _______ y _______ is very late period...almost post-period

Remember that the Spanish peoples...(who were not a combined
"country" till 1491) were very egocentric...if a forgiener
stayed in their country...they would use the Spanish version
of their name...and maybe give them an epithet meaning from
whereever or forgiener but would not as far as the College of Heralds
has been able to find...(and some of the people doing the research
are professors who's specialty is early Spanish Naming Practices...)
anywhere in official documents were a person of another nationality
has kept a forgien name when staying in a Spanish state...

Lorraine
--- "Olivia G. Rodrigues" <ladyoliviar at lycos.com> wrote:
> Lorraine,
>
> I guess I'll have to do more research.  I mean, who helped out the Irish when England was
> rousting them about and visa versa? *LOL*
>
> BTW, There was a Hugh 'Red' O'Donnell (Chieftain of the O'Donnell's) that reportedly died at the
> age of 32, out of disappointment over losing (again) to the English, in 1603 ( I know, post SCA
> timeline but...). Rumor has it, he faked his death and was reportedly living in Madrid, married
> the daughter of a wealthy merchant and had several children.
>
> I've been trying to get some documetation from Spain on this...wish I'd listened more in Spanish
> II.
>
> O.
> ---
> Carpe Diem Ex Illo Vitae Opprime!
>
>
> On Tue, 7 May 2002 14:53:45
>  L T wrote:
> >Yup!
> >there was no way they could document an Irish name
> >as half of a Spanish surname...
> >
> >--- "Olivia G. Rodrigues" <ladyoliviar at lycos.com> wrote:
> >> Lorraine,
> >>
> >> Do you recall 'the strange' element?
> >> Was it the O'Donnell "Y" Rodrigues?
> >>
> >> BTW, Congrats on the BA.
> >> ---
> >> Carpe Diem Ex Illo Vitae Opprime!
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, 7 May 2002 14:45:20
> >>  L T wrote:
> >> >Olivia,
> >> >
> >> >I think your device wasn't the problem...it was your name...
> >> >and you've seemed to have dropped the strange element
> >> >why don't you try to register it again?
> >> >
> >> >Magnes is off the list so you'll have to mail him privately
> >> >
> >> >
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