[Ravensfort] New regalia

David R. Hoffpauir env_drh at shsu.edu
Wed Oct 26 08:20:21 PDT 2005 

HE L~

I don't think we're too far off in philosophy.  A coronet should NEVER 
represent the individual! My point was that each unique coronet defines the 
individual as a Noble to their populous and represents their duty/burden 
during their tenure. If you take the job seriously, after years of stress, 
worry, tough choices, rejoicing, and bursting moments of pride, then the hat 
becomes a sentimental reminder that you will probably hope to keep.

It's all philisophical anyway and at the most fundamental level, the 
coronets are little more than junk metal.  It's the person, their comport, 
their service and the perception of those they serve that make the coronets 
into something.

Counterpoint a bit here....  As a token, passed from Crown to Barony, 
coronets are more "of Ansteorra", than "of the Barony".  The Baronial lands 
are your fief, the coronet is your reminder of stewardship.  Just as in 
historical times, it is a grant, and in NO WAY is it yours!  Keep in mind 
too that you may, probably will, be called on to hold court, in their 
Majesties stead, throughout the Kingdom, so that coronet must define you to 
a much larger group than just your Barony.

We swerve a bit from the original postings, however, which concern 
themselves with new coronets.  In that endevour I think we will find the 
appropriate path.  Could be we commission two sets.  One as the perpetual 
"of the Barony" set and one set commissioned by the new B&B.  That's a bit 
over the top, but it would be nice if our artisans could pull that one out 
of their, er.....  hat.....  ......  :)

regards,
dsd


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "L T" <ldeerslayer at yahoo.com>
To: "The Barony of Ravensfort" <ravensfort at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Ravensfort] New regalia


> The dual coronet box is in the large amount of pass down items that
> I am holding in trust for the next B&B. It would be much better
> to have to two separate boxes...especially when each of the principle's
> go to different events.
>
> As you do, I also believe, that the Baronial Coronets are " "the" defining 
> piece of regalia, a
> token of the contract and duty you bear as the representative of the 
> Crown."
>
> But I believe that they should represent the duty/burden and not the 
> individual.
>
> Because on stepping up...you no longer represent yourself...but in all 
> things SCA
> and in all interactions between the SCA and the modern world...you are the 
> Barony.
>
> Also, the Baronial Coronets should be "of the Barony" as the Crowns that 
> Their
> Majesties wear are "of Ansteorra" for the Baron and Baroness are the 
> direct
> representatives of the King and Queen.
>
> Lorraine
>
> --- "David R. Hoffpauir" <env_drh at shsu.edu> wrote:
>
>> You might check with Chrystal, but at one time we actually had boxes for 
>> the
>> Baronial Coronets.  Or at least "a box".  I think it held two coronets. 
>> I
>> don't recall she and I ever using it, 'cause the hats didn't fit, but 
>> they
>> were a part of the regalia passed down to us. For some reason I recall 
>> there
>> were ravens for hinges and it opened up really funny like. Could be that 
>> it
>> was privately owned, but I do recall it being in the regalia box.
>>
>> Anyway, check with Berta.  Her brains are a bit less scrambled.
>>
>> As far as coronets go, we've traditionally allowed the stepper uppers to
>> commission their own.  That way they can take them when they step down. 
>> No
>> reason to remain that way, but they really do become sentimental 
>> reminders
>> to those who bear them, so keep that in mind.
>>
>> Personally I feel they are "the" defining piece of regalia, a token of 
>> the
>> contract and duty you bear as the representative of the Crown.  In our
>> history, each coronet has uniquely defined it's bearer to all who gaze 
>> upon
>> them.  To see that coronet upon another someday will seem odd.  Heh, I 
>> once
>> borrowed Keif's tuna can for Court and, in wearing it, it never did feel
>> right.  In a way I felt unworthy.  So, just things to consider as we are
>> deciding a course of action.
>>
>> regards,
>> dsd
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <fionna at cox.net>
>> To: <ravensfort at ansteorra.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 3:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ravensfort] New regalia
>>
>>
>> > Well, I have a few ideas for some things...
>> >
>> > Capes - I would like to see some period fabrics used, nothing fancy or 
>> > too
>> > heavy (ie.
>> > too hot) maybe some light wool and/or lightweight linen.  Preferably
>> > machine
>> > washable.
>> >
>> > Boxes for Coronets - I had several ideas for these.  First, I think it
>> > would look great to
>> > have the outside decorated with the baronial arms, the badges of the
>> > baronial
>> > awards, and of course, an Ansteorran black star.  Second, I think it 
>> > would
>> > be nice to
>> > line the box with the anti-tarnish fabric used in silverware chests.
>> > Third, I thought it
>> > might help to include some of the little packets of silica gel that 
>> > absorb
>> > moisture
>> > behind the lining (I can save these from the hard drives that pass 
>> > through
>> > where I
>> > work.)
>> >
>> > Anyone else have any ideas or suggestions?
>> >
>> > Fionna
>> >
>> >
>> > On Monday, October 24, 2005 at 4:54, Corbisier, Barbara L wrote 
>> > regarding
>> > [Ravensfort] New regalia:
>> >
>> >> Greetings, all!
>> >>
>> >> We're going to have a polling, and you know what happens after a
>> >> polling--that's right, an investiture.  Give yourselves a bonus point
>> >> for the right answer.
>> >>
>> >> Investitures generally involve things like coronets and other regalia,
>> >> like cloaks or other nifty things like that.  Raven's Fort doesn't 
>> >> have
>> >> these things handy, so we need to get/make them.
>> >>
>> >> What ideas do people have for coronets?  I'd like to see something
>> >> really spiffy that incorporates the parts of our Baronial device.  I'm
>> >> thinking garnets (red stones), moonstones (for the white circle on the
>> >> device), and supporters of ravens (on either side of the stones 
>> >> holding
>> >> them up).
>> >>
>> >> Capes--same basic question.  What do you think would make the Barony
>> >> look best while on the backs of our new Baron & Baroness?  (That 
>> >> didn't
>> >> come out quite right.  But I think you all know what I mean.) I think
>> >> something in black with a red/white crenelated border (the "castle
>> >> wall") around the edge, and the device appliqued in the middle.  Any
>> >> preferences for fabric type?
>> >>
>> >> What other regalia ideas do you have?  We'll need boxes for the
>> >> coronets, some new cushions would be nice, etc.
>> >>
>> >> Let's get the ideas going and get some volunteers!  This is our
>> >> opportunity to shine in front of the Kingdom, so let's make the most 
>> >> of
>> >> it!
>> >>
>> >> In service,
>> >> Lady Catherine Barbary
>> >> Seneschal, Raven's Fort
>> >>
>> >> -- 
>> >> Orationem pulchram non habens, scribo ista linea in lingua Latina.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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