[Ravensfort] Ravensfort Digest, Vol 26, Issue 23

Fri Jun 20 06:44:56 PDT 2008

You have been spammed. Do not contact me. I replied to an e-mail that then contacted everyone in my address book with a false message.
Sorry
Gary

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Today's Topics:

   1. Please connect with me :) (Gary Pace)
   2. Re: site rules (Kief av Kiersted)
   3. Re: site rules (gail young)

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:57:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gary Pace <gpace77586 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ravensfort] Please connect with me :)
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Hi,

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-Gary

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:26:13 -0500
From: Kief av Kiersted <sirkief at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ravensfort] site rules
To: byzytym <byzytym at att.net>, <ravensfort at lists.ansteorra.org>
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Heilsa all...

Your "Deep Apology" accepted. Although your "outrage" was clearly false and without basis...

However, the law is clear, as is the SCA's policy on alcohol.

No
one may sell any type of alcohol through any means including the buying
of ingredients, pre-sales, post-sales, or on-the-spot sales. These are
all clear attempts at an "end run" around Federal and/or State
regulations.

Now if you want to give it away...please do. No money can change hands...period, in any way, shape, or form.

The
SCA does deal directly with the land owners...I am a member of the SCA
and the local landowner that approached the Dorrell and Rohe families
about the SCA using their ranch as an event site back in 1987. You
didn't even play with Raven's Fort back then.

The efforts of the
Brewers Guild can certainly be "displayed" in private campsites as part
of a revel as well as a part of an A&S display.

No taverns.

The "Kiersted Mead Hall" is part of a private campsite and not a tavern.

Leaving a fire burning in the old "Tavern" during a period of dryness and high winds, with witnesses to the fact, is not "...for fabricated infractions"...get over it.

What
is sad is the fact that you are still trying to "rule" the Barony from
behind the scenes...whereas I have moved on and have largely forgotten
about all of this...until you bring it all up again...

Have a
great day...I shall... I am also really looking forward to this year's
Defender of the Fort, it's shaping up to be an excellent event.

W?s ?u H?l in Tro? and Fri?...!
Sir Arenvald Kief af Kiersted, Baron Raven's Fort, OP, Lion, Augmentation of Arms
"Better the Hammer than the nail..."

From: byzytym at att.net
To: byzytym at att.net; ravensfort at lists.ansteorra.org
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:35:53 -0500
Subject: Re: [Ravensfort] site rules

To everyone that reads this list,

This was a momentary laps on my part.  My 
apologies were sent almost immediately to our Seneschal, our Baron and our 
Baroness.  Now I give my deep apologize to everyone else.  
My complaint was worded badly and I missed the point that I was trying to 
make.  My sincere apologizes for the disturbance.  

I have not been in the Raven's Fort 
Brewers Guild for several years now.  However, the hard work that these 
people do is a major part of what drives this Barony forward.  We 
don't have many heavy or light fighters, we don't dance, we don't even travel to 
other events very much.  We do cook and brew, we do have a few strong 
artisans and we do have a new college group.  All of these 
things that this barony excels in are nurtured by the very cluster of 
devoted long timers that are panelized most by the arbitrary site 
rules.   The Brewers Guild is the most active guild in the Barony of 
Raven's Fort, hands down.  To say that they can not display their talents 
at an event that is specifically designed for that reason is beyond 
reason.   It's one thing to 
dictate safety rules and land damage control, but it is another thing to set SCA 
event policy.  Either say no alcohol or say the site is wet.  
Deciding who and when alcohol is to be served at an SCA event 
is jurisdiction of the SCA.  It is still my greatest hope that our 
local craftsmen will be allowed to present the fruits of their research at 
Defender of the Fort.

Again, please excuse my clumsy 
outrage.

Pax,
MARIVS

"what shall it profit a man,
if he shall gain the whole world,
and lose his own soul ?"

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  byzytym 
  To: byzytym ; ravensfort at lists.ansteorra.org 

  Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:37 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Ravensfort] site 
rules

  I would like to make a statement strictly as 
  an individual and a long time member of the Barony of Raven's Fort.  

  I feel that the land agent over stepped 
  reason when making up his arbitrary rules when it comes to on site 
  taverns.  The rules seem to be directed at specific individuals for 
  personal reasons, rather than to correct any problems that has arisen in the 
  past or any breach of SCA or mundane law or any request 
  that the land owners themselves have made.  Of course, we have no 
  way to know the desires of the land owners since the SCA has never been 
  allowed to deal directly with the land owners.  The imbalance of 
  the site rule policy is notably demonstrated by the fact that 
  in the same period of time: the old Raven's Fort Tavern was 
  forcibly evicted (for fabricated infractions) by the land agent, the 
  current site rules were issued by the land agent and the on site "Mead 
  Hall" was built by the land agent.   I will not presume to suggest a 
  solution to this dilemma of secrecy and whim.  Perhaps the officers of 
  the Barony can facilitate a return to a fair site policy 
  that embraces the true spirit of our society.  

  That said, the Autocrat of the Defender of 
  the Fort event shall enforce what ever is handed up from the site rule 
  dictator no matter how calculated.  

  Pax,
  MARIVS

  "what shall it profit a man,
  if he shall gain the whole 
  world,
  and lose his own soul ?"
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:31:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: gail young <gwynethb63 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ravensfort] site rules
To: ravensfort at lists.ansteorra.org, byzytym at att.net
Cc: pugofficial <seneschal at ansteorra.org>, pug <pug at pug.net>
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As the Southern Regional Senechal I would like to ask that NO ONE respond to this thread on this list.
Take it private please.
Gwyneth Blackrose OP, OL
Southern Regional Seneschal

----- Original Message ----
From: Kief av Kiersted <sirkief at hotmail.com>
To: byzytym <byzytym at att.net>; ravensfort at lists.ansteorra.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:26:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Ravensfort] site rules

Heilsa all...

Your "Deep Apology" accepted. Although your "outrage" was clearly false and without basis...

However, the law is clear, as is the SCA's policy on alcohol.

No one may sell any type of alcohol through any means including the buying of ingredients, pre-sales, post-sales, or on-the-spot sales. These are all clear attempts at an "end run" around Federal and/or State regulations.

Now if you want to give it away...please do. No money can change hands...period, in any way, shape, or form.

The SCA does deal directly with the land owners...I am a member of the SCA and the local landowner that approached the Dorrell and Rohe families about the SCA using their ranch as an event site back in 1987. You didn't even play with Raven's Fort back then.

The efforts of the Brewers Guild can certainly be "displayed" in private campsites as part of a revel as well as a part of an A&S display.

No taverns.

The "Kiersted Mead Hall" is part of a private campsite and not a tavern.

Leaving a fire burning in the old "Tavern" during a period of dryness and high winds, with witnesses to the fact, is not "...for fabricated infractions"...get over it.

What is sad is the fact that you are still trying to "rule" the Barony from behind the scenes...whereas I have moved on and have largely forgotten about all of this...until you bring it all up again...

Have a great day...I shall... I am also really looking forward to this year's Defender of the Fort, it's shaping up to be an excellent event.

W?s ?u H?l in Tro? and Fri?...!
Sir Arenvald Kief af Kiersted, Baron Raven's Fort, OP, Lion, Augmentation of Arms
"Better the Hammer than the nail..."

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From: byzytym at att.net
To: byzytym at att.net; ravensfort at lists.ansteorra.org
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:35:53 -0500
Subject: Re: [Ravensfort] site rules

To everyone that reads this list,
?
This was a momentary laps on my part.? My apologies were sent almost immediately to our Seneschal, our Baron and our Baroness.? Now I?give my deep?apologize to everyone else.? My complaint was worded badly and I missed the point that I was trying to make.? My sincere apologizes for the disturbance.? 
?
I?have?not been in the Raven's Fort Brewers Guild for several years now.? However, the hard work that these people do is?a major part?of what drives this Barony forward.? We don't have many heavy or light fighters, we don't dance, we don't even travel to other events?very much.? We do cook and brew, we do have a few strong artisans?and?we do have a?new college group.? All of these things that this barony?excels?in are nurtured by the very cluster of devoted long timers that?are?panelized most by the arbitrary site rules.?? The Brewers Guild is the most active guild in the Barony of Raven's Fort, hands down.? To say that they can not display their talents at an event that is specifically designed for that reason is beyond reason.???It's one thing to dictate safety rules and land damage control, but it is another thing to set SCA event policy.? Either say no alcohol or say the site is wet.? Deciding?who and when alcohol is to be
served at an SCA event is?jurisdiction of the SCA.? It is still my greatest hope that our local craftsmen will be allowed to present the fruits of their research at Defender of the Fort.
?
Again, please excuse my clumsy outrage.
?
Pax,
MARIVS
?
"what shall it profit a man,
if he shall gain the whole world,
and lose his own soul ?"
?
?
?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: byzytym 
To: byzytym ; ravensfort at lists.ansteorra.org 
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Ravensfort] site rules

I would like to make a statement strictly as an individual and a long time member of the Barony of Raven's Fort.? 
?
I feel that the land agent over stepped reason when making up his arbitrary rules when it comes to on site taverns.? The rules seem to be directed at specific individuals for personal reasons, rather than to correct any problems that has arisen in the past or any breach of SCA?or mundane law or?any request that?the land owners themselves have made.? Of course, we have no way to know the desires of the land owners since the SCA has never been allowed to deal directly with the land owners.? The imbalance of the?site rule?policy is notably demonstrated by the fact?that in the same period of time: the old Raven's Fort Tavern was forcibly?evicted (for fabricated infractions) by the land agent, the current site rules were issued by the land agent?and the on site "Mead Hall" was built by the land agent.?? I will not presume to suggest a solution to this dilemma of secrecy and whim.? Perhaps the officers of the Barony can?facilitate a?return?to
a?fair site policy that embraces the true spirit of our society.? 
?
That said, the Autocrat of the Defender of the Fort event shall enforce what ever?is handed up from the site rule dictator no matter how calculated.? 
?
Pax,
MARIVS
?
"what shall it profit a man,
if he shall gain the whole world,
and lose his own soul ?"

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