SC - Digest 2014 - Food at A&S Competitions

[Martina Grasse]

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Here is another answer to the grape juice versus wine question.

Guillane

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From: "james gazaway" <vulpes9 at hotmail.com>
To: GUILLANEDV at aol.com
Subject: Re: SC - Byzantine Bread Stamps
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:43:28 GMT
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Greetings to all from Sarajevo, Bosnia!
   Okay, Several items have come to my attention on this list.  Taking them 
one at a time, lets start with the last supper or the eucherist.
   Was it wine or just grape juice that Jesus used?  In the greek texts, 
they all agree.  The term used means, "fruit of the vine."  The term for 
wine is not used nor is the term for just grape juice.  Fruit of the vine 
can refer to either a fermented or non-fermented beverage.
   In the 1st century they did have a process for preserving grape juice 
without fermentation for up to a year.  However, this was an expensive 
proposition.
   Bottom line: we do not know for 100% certain which was used.  There are 
good arguments for both sides.  So it come down to a matter of personal 
choice and interpretation.
   That said, remember that the wine served in the 1st century at meals, 
etc. was often about 6% to 10% alcohol.  Usually this was cut with water in 
a 4:1 ratio of water to wine before it was served.  The result is that you 
wind up with a wine that is only about 3 to 5 proof.  A good bit less than 
the 10 to 18 proof wines that grace many of our tables today at mealtime.
   As for bread in modern services, many churches are using whatever is 
available. Some still requite it to be unleavened bread.  To be unleavened 
it must be made without yeast, shorting/lard, or salt.  Basicly it is just 
plain flour and water.  Not to apatising or imaginative, but it works for a 
quick mix and cook item.
   And lastly, a Baptist christening.  While there are officailly 47 
different kinds of recognized Baptist groups out there in the US today, none 
are known to do "christenings."  Many though will do a child dedication 
service, which is actually what a christening is.  The dedication service is 
the same ceremony as a christening, just without the water or reference to 
baptism.
   Hope this all helps.  Take care.
Yer Humble Servant,
Ld. Jonathan Andrew Sterling
Captain of the Banshee
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>From: GUILLANEDV at aol.com
>To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org, vulpes9 at hotmail.com
>Subject: Re: SC - Byzantine Bread Stamps
>Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:53:26 EST
>
>Friends,
>
>I too have had this conversation with a close friend who is a military
>chaplain and obviously a student of the original languages.  It has 
>provided
>us with any number of hours of discussion.  I have taken the liberty of
>forwarding some of this thread to him at his duty station in Sarajevo.
>
>Guillane
>

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