[Sca-cooks] Following a recipe...

[Brian Songy]

THL Stefan li Rous, Archivist Non Pareil, asked:
	But presumeably the folks for whom these recipes were written
	would be familar with these. We have briefly talked about these
	sorts of timings before, but I can't remember if someone gave
	us non-Catholics some numbers to use instead.

	So, in your opinion, what would be a reasonable range in time
	for each of these? In other words, when spoken at a normal
	speed and if one was reciting a well-known, memorized set of
	verses? Although I suspect that if this was used as a timing
	piece that it would have been said about the same each time and
	not rushed.

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Well Stefan, this is what I managed to put together:

Timing of Common Catholic Prayers

Title											In Latin				In English

Gloria										GLORIA Patri, 			Glory, to the Father,
http://www.unidial.com/~martinus/thesaurus/Basics/GloriaPatri.html et Filio,
et Spiritui Sancto. and teh Son, and the
time: 13 seconds +/- 2 seconds						Sicut erat in principio, 	Holy Spirit.
As it was in
											et nunc, et semper, 		the beginning, is now, and
											et in saecula saeculorum. 	ever shall be, world without
											Amen. 				end.  AMen.

Shorter Version of the Ave Maria						Ave Maria gratia plena		Hail Mary,
full of Grace,
(taken from Luke 1:28 and Luke 1:42)					Dominus tecum.			the Lord is with
you.
time: 13 seconds	+/- 2 seconds						Benedicta tu in mulieribus	Blessed are
you amoung women,
											et benedictus fructus		And blessed is the fruit of
											ventris tui, Jesus. Amen.	your womb Jesus. Amen.

Longer version of Ave Maria							AVE Maria, gratia plena, 	Hail Mary, full
of Grace,
http://www.unidial.com/~martinus/thesaurus/Basics/AveMaria.html	Dominus
tecum. 			the Lord is with you.
time: 21 seconds +/- 2 seconds						Benedicta tu in mulieribus, 	Blessed are
you amoung women,
											et benedictus fructus 		and blessed is the fruit of
											ventris tui, Iesus. 		your womb, Jesus.
											Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, 	Holy Mary, mother of God,
											ora pro nobis peccatoribus, 	pray for us sinners, now and
											nunc, et in hora mortis 	at the hour of our death.
											nostrae. Amen. 			Amen.

Pater Noster									PATER noster, 			Our Father,
(taken from Matthew 6: 9-13)							qui es in caelis, 		Who art in heaven,
											sanctificetur nomen tuum. 	hallowed be thy name.
											Adveniat regnum tuum. 		Thy kingdom come.
											Fiat voluntas tua, 		Thy will be done,
											sicut in caelo et in terra. 	on earth as it is in heaven.
											Panem nostrum quotidianum 	Give us this day our daily
											da nobis hodie, 			bread, and forgive us our
											et dimitte nobis debita 	trepasses, as we forgive
											nostra sicut et nos 		those who trepass against
											dimittimus debitoribus 		us.  And lead us not into
											nostris. Et ne nos inducas 	temptation but deliver us
											in tentationem, sed libera 	from evil.  Amen.
											nos a malo. Amen

(Five Decade) Rosary								consist of some introductory
time: ~20 minutes - I had difficulty with making accurate		prayers, and then
five
measurements									"decades", with each decade
											consisting of a pater noster,
											ten Ave Maria's, and one Gloria


Full (Fifteen Decade) Rosary							consist of some introductory
time: 1 Hour - I had difficulty with making accurate			prayers, and then
fifteen
measurements									"decades", with each decade
											consisting of a pater noster,
											ten Ave Maria's, and one Gloria

The times were generated by timing myself saying the latin form of the
prayer three times and taking the median measurement

Note that I converted to Catholicism three years ago; I'm not particularly
skilled at saying these prayers quickly.

A collection of Latin resources, including common Catholic prayers, can be
found at: http://www.unidial.com/~martinus/Thesaurus.html

Also, this web page references the stability of the prayers in latin, vice
other languages: http://www.unidial.com/~martinus/thesaurus/Introductio.html


Brian Songy
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:50:15 -0600
From: Stefan li Rous <stefan at texas.net>
To: SCA-Cooks maillist <SCA-Cooks at ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Following a recipe...
Reply-To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

Huette said:
> > Actually, some of them tell you how many Ave Marias
> > or Pater Nosters, which is pretty close :)
> >
> > K.
>
> Yes, but it doesn't comment on how fast or slowly you
> have to say them.  And, of course, if you aren't
> Catholic, like me, you wouldn't know how long that
> would take anyway.  :-)

But presumeably the folks for whom these recipes were written
would be familar with these. We have briefly talked about these
sorts of timings before, but I can't remember if someone gave
us non-Catholics some numbers to use instead.

So, in your opinion, what would be a reasonable range in time
for each of these? In other words, when spoken at a normal
speed and if one was reciting a well-known, memorized set of
verses? Although I suspect that if this was used as a timing
piece that it would have been said about the same each time and
not rushed.

--
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
   Mark S. Harris            Austin, Texas          stefan at texas.net
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****