[Sca-cooks] Re:BEEF was Imaginary list was Re: Irish Stew recipe

[johnna holloway]

There are at least two new works coming
out on the subject of beef eating in England,
so all the questions regarding when the English
ate beef and the amounts may be answered by
these. Two works already out are Welsh Cattle-Drovers
which examines the transportation of beef on the
hoof to the markets in England and Cattle: a Social
History by Laurie Winn-Carlson which came out
last fall.

Johnna Holloway  Johnnae llyn Lewis

Philip & Susan Troy wrote:
>snipped--->
> Anyway, Simmonds speaks of the English superiority at Agincourt being
> due (at least he kind of suggests this) to the [alleged] fact that
> the English armies lived on beef. It was all I could do to keep from
> bursting out laughing, although I suppose they may have foraged for
> some sort of bovine meat. I really don't think that whole "Roast Beef
> of Old England" bullsh-- I mean, stuff, goes back any further than
> the 17 and 18th centuries. In fact, Simmonds seems to suggest that
> the concept of castrating immature cattle to produce steers was
> either new or unknown on much of the Continent as of that writing
> (1859). He speaks of German and, I think, Flemish beef as being
> distinctly substandard for this reason.>
> If he's right, medieval people might well have been better off with
> boiled beef.> Adamantius