[Sca-cooks] I quit

[A F Murphy]

Well... several problems, here. Sometimes a person just doesn't want to
feel that he always needs "help". Sometimes you just want to go indoors
when you want to go in, not have to wait for someone who will help you
up the three steps that they all forget are there.(And even I've
forgotten about steps, and I grew up with this!) Sometimes people who
don't know how to help can be downright dangerous... My father walked
with canes, and I've seen him perilously close to being pitched down
stairs by people with more enthusiasm than sense. And that's terrifying.
Think about it. And there are other more awkward issues...

And Muirdach says he has encountered a problem with the attitude. People
often do assume that there is no reason to change the layout, because
someone will help - see above. Even though he does accessibility for a
living, and can be expected to know not just  what he needs, but also
how to accomplish it. Again, I saw that with my father, who was an early
advocate for accessibility.

Now, I don't know his area, so I don't know either the sites or the
people, and can't speak about  them, so won't try.

This all said, Muirdach, give it a rest for a month or two, stay on the
list and keep teaching us about classic cooking, and then get back in
there. And you *ARE* going to be at Pennsic, aren't you? I STR that you
are teaching there?


Anne

kattratt wrote:

>Now wait just a gall blasted minute!!!!
>Where the Hell are our knights????
>
>You seem to need some assitance... right? Overcoming obstacles?
>Accessibility is not a problem fetch some knights...
>Why aren't people acknowledging your chair?
>Is my problem...
>
>Lemme see.... hmmm a man in a chair... a knight standing around...
>get them together I see transportation...
>
>Pick up chair or give a simple push...
>
>Boop right on out of the mud...
>Now if you are giving up because folks couldn't "accomodate you" or
>"Others with mobility impairments" well I really hate to go against you
>but I suggest you consider the sites and what they represent!  So far as
>I have seen the camping sites are campgrounds either Boys Scouts or Girl
>Scouts, both are outdoors and thus wilderness.
>Now with that aside I will now dangerously go against you...
>In society we have knights, they're job is to serve.
>If you are not using their service then you are doing your self a
>disservice!
>
>If you can't make it up that hill I can find 5 knights who will help!!!
>That is not an insult nor an obstacle!!! It is merely a service.
>No sight is inaccessible as long as Gentlemen or Knights are around and
>I dare someone to disagree...
>As far as there not being enough of you I will disagree again...
>There is always someone who needs the service the question is is there
>help?
>In my Canton my wager is on "YES"
>Nichola
>
>Now get your ass back here!!!!
>
>
>Gorgeous Muiredach wrote:
>
>>As you may know, I use a wheelchair to get around.  I have been in the SCA
>>for a little less than a short year.  During that year, I have encountered
>>many obstacles to my participation at events.  Event sites not being
>>accessible to me, and other people with mobility impairments is part of the
>>problem.  The bigger part of the problem is the attitude found nearly
>>everywhere that it doesn't really matter if a site is not accessible.
>>
>>Excuses are made.  "It's too expensive".  "We rent the site, we have no
>>control".  "We can't afford it".
>>
>>When offers to help identify solutions are made, they are too often plain
>>ignored.  That is, when I'm not simply told to my face "there are not
>>enough of 'you' [read people in wheelchair], we don't have to be
>>accessible".  Imagine telling someone they can't go in an event because
>>they are African-American?  How well would that go over?  Yeah, plain and
>>pure discrimination.
>>
>>You also hear: "The SCA is a private club, we dont' have to comply with the
>>law".  Screw the law, just think of the concept of society...  You are
>>supposed to make people feel welcome!  That being said, the SCA is NOT
>>excempt from complying with Title II of the ADA, or any number of other
>>state and local laws and regulations.  If you question that affirmation of
>>mine, I would be glad to provide you with excerpts taken from the text of
>>the law and technical manuals concerning the law.
>>
>>What's worse, the BOD, and apparently several Kingdoms, don't give a shit
>>either.  A group that only had access to one accessible site in their town
>>was told by BOD not to force the hall to comply with the law.
>>
>>No sanctions were taken against some people that openly discriminated
>>against me around a fairly recent 12th night event.
>>
>>So, you win.  The angry gimp is going away.  You won't have to deal with me
>>anymore.  I'll join the growing ranks of the disgruntled.  But there might
>>be someone behind me that will get angry enough to file a lawsuit, and when
>>that happen, don't act too surprised.
>>
>>To those of you, my friends, who have made efforts to find solutions, to
>>plan ahead, I thank you.  I shan't forget you, I just can't deal with the
>>pervasive sense of not being wanted at events anymore.  Too many people,
>>too many times.  I have enough of that in my real life, everyday.  When I'm
>>going to a recreational group, I don't want to have to constantly fight.
>>
>>Have fun.
>>
>>Nicolas Steenhout
>>was
>>Gorgeous Muiredach
>>Rokkehealden Shire
>>Middle Kingdom
>>"You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry
>>
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