[SCA-cooks] I quit

[Brandy Collins]

My apologies good gentiles.  What does this have to do with cooking?
I do appreciate the discussion, but it's somewhat lost on this list.  Such good
thoughts and ideas on the matter should be brought to kingdom or area
administration level.
Respectfully,
Brea

Philip & Susan Troy wrote:

> Also sprach Morgan Cain (Ansteorra):
> >  > > When offers to help identify solutions are made, they are too often
> >plain
> >>  > ignored.  That is, when I'm not simply told to my face "there are not
> >>  > enough of 'you' [read people in wheelchair], we don't have to be
> >>  > accessible".
> >
> >As I said, you don't get that attitude here, and I have seen events other
> >places where people go out of their way to ensure that EVERYBODY has access.
> >I don't know if you are talking about people in your local group, or people
> >in a region, but I think instead of blasting everybody and blowing off the
> >entire Society, you need to get a dose of reality and start working a
> >different tactic.  I've seen people in wheelchairs at Pennsic; we have
> >Silent Heraldry for the hearing-impaired; I cannot believe that the problem
> >you are whining about is so pervasive.
>
> I didn't see it as whining. Possibly a little defeatist.  We have at
> least two wheelchair-wearing gentles in my immediate home group, and
> one or two others around the region; we see them quite frequently. I
> couldn't say how many such people we have around the Kingdom (East),
> but it's a big enough number to warrant having an officer in charge
> of accessibility, whose efforts are noticable, if of somewhat mixed
> success.
>
> >  > >  That being said, the SCA is NOT
> >>  > excempt from complying with Title II of the ADA, ....
> >
> >Unfortunately for your argument, yes, it is.  Section II covers only "any
> >State or local government; any department, agency, special purpose district,
> >or other instrumentality of a State or States or local government; and the
> >National Railroad Passenger Corporation."  If you're going to argue laws, at
> >least argue the RIGHT law.  And no, Title III doesn't cover either because
> >that applies only to places of "public accommodation" - which the SCA is
> >not.  Go look at the definitions (and yes, I did happen to have the statute
> >literally at hand - I helped write a book about it and one of my honour
> >copies is in the bookshelf next to my desk).  They are talking about the
> >halls and physical locations, which the SCA does not own and (because I have
> >to look at this type of contract for my business) has no obligation to
> >ensure is accessible.  That is the obligation of the site owner.  And
> >"accessible" has a whole bunch of meanings.
>
> True. Unfortunate, but true. This somewhat parallels (although in a
> very different way and extent) the case of a lady I know who makes
> wine, teaches vintning, etc. We've been having trouble finding sites
> for events at which brewing and vintning classes can be done. A lot
> of the sites we use are schools and churches, and they often object
> to what they see as the production and encouragement of alcohol use
> (I don't see this for several reasons, but I don't own the sites). As
> a result, this lady has felt, at times, victimized by our inability
> to find any but dry sites, for the most part. Finally, I asked her
> outright, "What do you want us to do, cancel the event because we
> can't find a wet site????" She said, "Yes." At first I thought this
> was insanely selfish, but now I'm not so sure. I think perhaps
> because it has been so difficult to find a good damp site, some
> people have given up trying.
>
> Could this be what is happening in the case of wheelchair-accessible
> sites? Note that in the East, most of our larger Kingdom events seem
> to be wheelchair-accessible, due both to the efforts of the Kingdom's
> Accessibility Porter and the demands we've placed on some rather
> expensive sites to even consider them as possible event sites. In the
> case of a two or three-thousand-dollar a day site we may use once or
> twice, or more, a year, it's probably a reasonably good business
> decision to spend a couple of hundred bucks on ramps, at least.
>
> Adamantius
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