[SCA-cooks] I quit

[Elaine Koogler]

This doesn't have anything to do with cooking....but it does have a great
deal to do with a person who is on this list that we care about and are in
danger of losing...one who has repeatedly demonstrated his knowledge and
skill in cookery...so his loss would be a substantial one, and therefore a
loss to our knowledge of cooking.  So, my Lady, I must disagree with you...I
think that this discussion does belong here.

Sorry!

Kiri
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandy Collins" <brandy.collins at probes.com>
To: <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SCA-cooks] I quit


> My apologies good gentiles.  What does this have to do with cooking?
> I do appreciate the discussion, but it's somewhat lost on this list.  Such
good
> thoughts and ideas on the matter should be brought to kingdom or area
> administration level.
> Respectfully,
> Brea
>
> Philip & Susan Troy wrote:
>
> > Also sprach Morgan Cain (Ansteorra):
> > >  > > When offers to help identify solutions are made, they are too
often
> > >plain
> > >>  > ignored.  That is, when I'm not simply told to my face "there are
not
> > >>  > enough of 'you' [read people in wheelchair], we don't have to be
> > >>  > accessible".
> > >
> > >As I said, you don't get that attitude here, and I have seen events
other
> > >places where people go out of their way to ensure that EVERYBODY has
access.
> > >I don't know if you are talking about people in your local group, or
people
> > >in a region, but I think instead of blasting everybody and blowing off
the
> > >entire Society, you need to get a dose of reality and start working a
> > >different tactic.  I've seen people in wheelchairs at Pennsic; we have
> > >Silent Heraldry for the hearing-impaired; I cannot believe that the
problem
> > >you are whining about is so pervasive.
> >
> > I didn't see it as whining. Possibly a little defeatist.  We have at
> > least two wheelchair-wearing gentles in my immediate home group, and
> > one or two others around the region; we see them quite frequently. I
> > couldn't say how many such people we have around the Kingdom (East),
> > but it's a big enough number to warrant having an officer in charge
> > of accessibility, whose efforts are noticable, if of somewhat mixed
> > success.
> >
> > >  > >  That being said, the SCA is NOT
> > >>  > excempt from complying with Title II of the ADA, ....
> > >
> > >Unfortunately for your argument, yes, it is.  Section II covers only
"any
> > >State or local government; any department, agency, special purpose
district,
> > >or other instrumentality of a State or States or local government; and
the
> > >National Railroad Passenger Corporation."  If you're going to argue
laws, at
> > >least argue the RIGHT law.  And no, Title III doesn't cover either
because
> > >that applies only to places of "public accommodation" - which the SCA
is
> > >not.  Go look at the definitions (and yes, I did happen to have the
statute
> > >literally at hand - I helped write a book about it and one of my honour
> > >copies is in the bookshelf next to my desk).  They are talking about
the
> > >halls and physical locations, which the SCA does not own and (because I
have
> > >to look at this type of contract for my business) has no obligation to
> > >ensure is accessible.  That is the obligation of the site owner.  And
> > >"accessible" has a whole bunch of meanings.
> >
> > True. Unfortunate, but true. This somewhat parallels (although in a
> > very different way and extent) the case of a lady I know who makes
> > wine, teaches vintning, etc. We've been having trouble finding sites
> > for events at which brewing and vintning classes can be done. A lot
> > of the sites we use are schools and churches, and they often object
> > to what they see as the production and encouragement of alcohol use
> > (I don't see this for several reasons, but I don't own the sites). As
> > a result, this lady has felt, at times, victimized by our inability
> > to find any but dry sites, for the most part. Finally, I asked her
> > outright, "What do you want us to do, cancel the event because we
> > can't find a wet site????" She said, "Yes." At first I thought this
> > was insanely selfish, but now I'm not so sure. I think perhaps
> > because it has been so difficult to find a good damp site, some
> > people have given up trying.
> >
> > Could this be what is happening in the case of wheelchair-accessible
> > sites? Note that in the East, most of our larger Kingdom events seem
> > to be wheelchair-accessible, due both to the efforts of the Kingdom's
> > Accessibility Porter and the demands we've placed on some rather
> > expensive sites to even consider them as possible event sites. In the
> > case of a two or three-thousand-dollar a day site we may use once or
> > twice, or more, a year, it's probably a reasonably good business
> > decision to spend a couple of hundred bucks on ramps, at least.
> >
> > Adamantius
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