[SCA-cooks] I quit

[Brandy Collins]

I didn't say it didn't belong here.  If you'll read my posts.
B


Elaine Koogler wrote:

> This doesn't have anything to do with cooking....but it does have a great
> deal to do with a person who is on this list that we care about and are in
> danger of losing...one who has repeatedly demonstrated his knowledge and
> skill in cookery...so his loss would be a substantial one, and therefore a
> loss to our knowledge of cooking.  So, my Lady, I must disagree with you...I
> think that this discussion does belong here.
>
> Sorry!
>
> Kiri
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brandy Collins" <brandy.collins at probes.com>
> To: <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 11:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [SCA-cooks] I quit
>
> > My apologies good gentiles.  What does this have to do with cooking?
> > I do appreciate the discussion, but it's somewhat lost on this list.  Such
> good
> > thoughts and ideas on the matter should be brought to kingdom or area
> > administration level.
> > Respectfully,
> > Brea
> >
> > Philip & Susan Troy wrote:
> >
> > > Also sprach Morgan Cain (Ansteorra):
> > > >  > > When offers to help identify solutions are made, they are too
> often
> > > >plain
> > > >>  > ignored.  That is, when I'm not simply told to my face "there are
> not
> > > >>  > enough of 'you' [read people in wheelchair], we don't have to be
> > > >>  > accessible".
> > > >
> > > >As I said, you don't get that attitude here, and I have seen events
> other
> > > >places where people go out of their way to ensure that EVERYBODY has
> access.
> > > >I don't know if you are talking about people in your local group, or
> people
> > > >in a region, but I think instead of blasting everybody and blowing off
> the
> > > >entire Society, you need to get a dose of reality and start working a
> > > >different tactic.  I've seen people in wheelchairs at Pennsic; we have
> > > >Silent Heraldry for the hearing-impaired; I cannot believe that the
> problem
> > > >you are whining about is so pervasive.
> > >
> > > I didn't see it as whining. Possibly a little defeatist.  We have at
> > > least two wheelchair-wearing gentles in my immediate home group, and
> > > one or two others around the region; we see them quite frequently. I
> > > couldn't say how many such people we have around the Kingdom (East),
> > > but it's a big enough number to warrant having an officer in charge
> > > of accessibility, whose efforts are noticable, if of somewhat mixed
> > > success.
> > >
> > > >  > >  That being said, the SCA is NOT
> > > >>  > excempt from complying with Title II of the ADA, ....
> > > >
> > > >Unfortunately for your argument, yes, it is.  Section II covers only
> "any
> > > >State or local government; any department, agency, special purpose
> district,
> > > >or other instrumentality of a State or States or local government; and
> the
> > > >National Railroad Passenger Corporation."  If you're going to argue
> laws, at
> > > >least argue the RIGHT law.  And no, Title III doesn't cover either
> because
> > > >that applies only to places of "public accommodation" - which the SCA
> is
> > > >not.  Go look at the definitions (and yes, I did happen to have the
> statute
> > > >literally at hand - I helped write a book about it and one of my honour
> > > >copies is in the bookshelf next to my desk).  They are talking about
> the
> > > >halls and physical locations, which the SCA does not own and (because I
> have
> > > >to look at this type of contract for my business) has no obligation to
> > > >ensure is accessible.  That is the obligation of the site owner.  And
> > > >"accessible" has a whole bunch of meanings.
> > >
> > > True. Unfortunate, but true. This somewhat parallels (although in a
> > > very different way and extent) the case of a lady I know who makes
> > > wine, teaches vintning, etc. We've been having trouble finding sites
> > > for events at which brewing and vintning classes can be done. A lot
> > > of the sites we use are schools and churches, and they often object
> > > to what they see as the production and encouragement of alcohol use
> > > (I don't see this for several reasons, but I don't own the sites). As
> > > a result, this lady has felt, at times, victimized by our inability
> > > to find any but dry sites, for the most part. Finally, I asked her
> > > outright, "What do you want us to do, cancel the event because we
> > > can't find a wet site????" She said, "Yes." At first I thought this
> > > was insanely selfish, but now I'm not so sure. I think perhaps
> > > because it has been so difficult to find a good damp site, some
> > > people have given up trying.
> > >
> > > Could this be what is happening in the case of wheelchair-accessible
> > > sites? Note that in the East, most of our larger Kingdom events seem
> > > to be wheelchair-accessible, due both to the efforts of the Kingdom's
> > > Accessibility Porter and the demands we've placed on some rather
> > > expensive sites to even consider them as possible event sites. In the
> > > case of a two or three-thousand-dollar a day site we may use once or
> > > twice, or more, a year, it's probably a reasonably good business
> > > decision to spend a couple of hundred bucks on ramps, at least.
> > >
> > > Adamantius
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