In a message dated 8/18/2003 7:19:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, lcm at efn.org writes: Just a shot in the dark... but would duct tape pull them off? Corwyn > Ideas? Please? There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences. -- P. J. O'Rourke