[Sca-cooks] Dinner Tonight

[Phil Troy/ G. Tacitus Adamantius]

Also sprach Carol Eskesen Smith:
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>No, Phil, according to my sister-in-law, who grew up in the
>Binghamton area, where they supposedly originated, they're simply
>"spiedies",  But I could very easily be wrong; it's happened before,
>and will happen again...
>Regards,
>Brekke

Maybe, but the impression I got from my own experience was that
spiedies are the contents of the sandwich, and they can be eaten off
the stick/skewer, with bread on the side, or in a sandwich. Are you
suggesting that the sandwich itself is also known as a spiedie? My
brother is a fairly regular customer at Sharkey's, one of the great
spiedie epicenters of the Tri-City Area; maybe I'll see if he can ask
them.

Adamantius

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>----- Original Message -----
>From: Phil Troy/ G. Tacitus Adamantius
>Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 8:15 PM
>To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org
>Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Dinner Tonight
>
>Also sprach Avraham haRofeh of Sudentur:
>>   > >The term "Grinder" can be traced back to the east coast,
>>>   >where during WWI, Italian immigrants set up sandwich shops
>>>   >close to the shipyards.
>>>
>>>   I'd be curious as to whether this applies to area housing the
>>>   Brooklyn Navy Yard, which once had a large Italian immigrant
>>>   community, but where, so far as I know, these sandwiches are
>>>   invariably known as heroes. But then other large Eastern port cities
>>>   could have evolved grinders as described.
>>
>>No, Philly, Master A, is where Grinder is the local term.
>>
>>Avraham
>
>Disputation of above notwithstanding, my point was just that the
>quoted passage (doubtless written as part of a commercial, and not
>educational, endeavor) suggested that "grinders" originated among
>Italian immigrants on the Eastern seaboard. My own experience
>suggests that this is not true of the area around the Brooklyn Navy
>Yard, one of the most active shipyards on the Eastern Seaboard, and
>probably in the history of the US, and where such sandwiches have
>always been known, AFAIK, as "heroes".
>
>On the other hand, one might easily argue that Philadelphia,
>connected by river to the Atlantic, and a perfectly viable port,
>_might_ be one such place that the passage refers to.
>
>Again, disputation notwithstanding; I don't know nuthin' 'bout
>birthin' no grinders.
>
>So, not to change the subject too much, why are Philly Cheese Steaks
>simply sandwiches, and not grinders, hoagies, subs, etc.? I had
>gotten the impression that their cultural/ethnic foundation was
>largely the same (in other words, that they had been introduced by
>Italian-Americans, even if they have no direct counterpart in Italy).
>
>Adamantius (noting that, I believe, a spiedie sandwich is also a
>sandwich, and not a sub)
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