[Sca-cooks] French table Service and Web site - xlation part one

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OK.  I guess I'm a little lost here.  Is what you have included in the lower portion of your message the translation you continued to do on the original work, or is this an explanation of the term "wine waiter"?  I am assuming it is the latter, as it doesn't seem to follow on with what you sent before.

But it is interesting...and it certainly adds to my knowledge of how this particular office came to be.

Thanks again!

Kiri
> I am just getting back to the xlation now.  Sorry, very busy today preparing
> for guests this evening.  But I was annoyed that none of the dictionary
> resources had the word for echanson, so I did what I should have done last
> night and just googled echanson and I found something!!!  Anyway, the
> echanson was the wine waiter!  And in the next paragraph is the word
> echansonnerie which would be, I guess, the office of the echanson or maybe a
> room in the palace/castle where wine preparations for a feast took place.
> Now, I want you to know that the next paragraph is a series of long run-on
> sentences.  I am going to try and stick to the tone of the sentence as it
> was written, so it's not MY syntax that is lousy!  LOL!
> 
> But but but, the passage containing the word echanson - an item on the
> Google menu - was so interesting that I decided to click the translate
> option, so I am offering it here.  Dunno how it is going to come out on here
> when I click copy.  let's find out, shall we.  this translation is lousy.  I
> would not put my name to such a thing, but it is probably a
> computer-generated thing....
> Vicki
> 
> 
>             Water
>             Wine waiter
>             Scout
>             National school of agriculture
>             ECU
>             Edant
>             Egli
>             Egrot
>             Egrot and Grange
>             Praise
>             Emancipation
>             Embarrassment
>             Emon
>             Use of sulphur has dry
>             Encaveurs
>             Engel
>             Engelbreche
>             Engelbrecht
>             Enjalore
>             Inquire
>             Entree
>             Warehouse
>             Maintenance
>             Eon
>             Epernay
>             Ernst
>             Eschevannes
>             Escoublay
>             Espagnet
>             Test
>             Estienne
>             State
>             Labels
>             Evesque
>             Exposures
>             Eygurande
>             Eylau (page 1)
>             Eylau (page 2)
>             Eymery
> 
> 
>       (5030)
> 
>       (WINE WAITER). - Robert of ESNEVAL. - Receipt on vellum (85 x265
> mill.) of 5 long handwritten lines, 19 April 1395 and covered seal of wax
> red to its weapons, on simple tail.
> 
>       Robert dEsneval, rider, WINE WAITER OF the KING... confession to have
> received from Godefroy the Boilerman, Manservant of MONSEIGNEUR of ORLEANS,
> the sum of 40 francs which... my known as Seigneur my give to have a horse,
> of which sum I am held for content and paid well."
> 
>       King CHARLES VI, wire of Charles V, born in 1372, could free himself
> from the supervision of his uncles only in 1388 and was then guided only by
> his/her younger brother, LOUIS of ORLEANS (born in 1373, and which was the
> grandfather of Louis XII). Charles VI abruptly became insane in 1392;
> his/her uncles took again the government, delivering France to the bloody
> fights between the parties of Burgundy and Orleans. Jean without Fear, duke
> of Burgundy, "tried by the devil", made massacre the duke of Orleans,
> November 23, 1407, street Vieille of the Temple, whereas it returned from to
> the queen, by 18 assassins. Charles VI had married Isabeau of Bavaria in
> 1385. It did not have whereas 14 years, spoke only German and became the
> mistress of the duke of Orleans, younger brother by the king. After the
> death of this one, then that of the king (1422), it finished his life in the
> contempt of all and misery in 1435.
> 
>       The wine waiter, it is "pouring it with drinking", officer charged to
> pour to drink with the king or the very large characters. "Magister
> Pincernarum" of Charlemagne, Royal Cupbearer of Germany was a king de
> Bohême; it officiated crown at the head. This load is a remainder of the
> Germanic origins; the wine waiters held row of large characters of the State
> and were even often charged to sign the ordinances and letter-licences of
> the king. It fell to them the purchase of the wines, their distribution and
> the service with table. This is why attribution was conceded with very close
> and very sure characters; there was in the old royalty up to thirteen in
> load. This medieval heritage fell in disuse and was nothing any more but one
> show at the time of the festivals, until the reign of Louis XIV.
> 
>       The family of ESNEVAL is of very old stock Norman and Picardy
> (weapons: palé of gold and azure, with the head of mouths). The parts which
> relate to this honorary load are extremely rare especially of this disturbed
> time and royal membership. This one is very beautiful, with the SEAL
> PRESERVES and the very readable weapons; usually, one removed the very thick
> seals before filing parts (D. Morcrette).
> 
> 
> 
> Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] French table Service and Web site - xlation part
> one
> 
> 
> > This is great.  I know that there are other descriptions, but this one is
> one that I had found paraphrased and a small quote in the Scully work...and
> had used what I found in an article I wrote on 14th c. kitchens, etc.  This
> person was highly placed in the household of the Duke of Normandy, I
> think...and his diary entry on this matter is very useful.  It really will
> be far better to reference the diary directly (closer to a primary source,
> even if it is a translation) than to use the reference from another book.
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