[Sca-cooks] Military training

Micheal dmreid at hfx.eastlink.ca
Fri Aug 11 13:33:05 PDT 2006

 Having had the Story Of Vis and the instructor told to me over the table, 
by Vis some twenty odd years ago. I had a tendency to not completely believe 
him, I  being hardly wet behind the ears and a little bit disbelieving. 
Until one night I saw a photo of three eastern knights surrounded by a 
veritable sea of midrealm warriors. My comment was ouch that's going to 
hurt,  Emyrs turns and says "Ya I feel sorry for the midrealm boys in that 
photo". Duke Sir Vis., Farrel , and Beron  I think it was,  were the three 
Eastern Knights with big happy smiles barley noticeable under the face 
guards. I will see if I can get a copy of the photo some time and send it 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Gunter" <countgunthar at hotmail.com>
To: <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 6:19 PM
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Military training

> >Apocryphal, also, but told of Vissevald Selkirkson...
>>From the Floriegium,
> From: Algernon.Hartesmond at lcs.mit.edu, O.Troub. at lcs.mit.edu
> Date: 12 Dec 89 18:24:24 GMT
> Organization: Society for Creative Anachronism
> } Date: 8 Dec 89 17:23:50 GMT
> } From: Wilson Heydt <pacbell!pbhya!whh at AMES.ARC.NASA.GOV>
> } Subject: Re: Vis in Basic Training
> } I showed the story about Visivald in Basic Training to Duke Frederick of
> } Holland last night.  He relates that Vis told him that the third time,
> } the DI had three of his assistants help try to beat Vis--and Vis got all
> } 4 of them . . .
> I told Vis that the "pugil-stick in basic training" story had been
> retold on the net.  He asked me which version.  "The one that ends
> `...Means they can't beat him either,' I reported.
> Vis says that one is false variant #4 -- he wasn't a knight yet, after
> all.  We agreed, however, that it *is* a really good story, even better
> than the original.  He admitted that it was so good a tale that he
> himself tells it that way on occasion.
> All the versions agree that after receiving such a thorough whupping,
> the pugil instructors had Vis give them lessons.  They were large,
> powerful fellows, in excellent condition, and fiercely determined never
> to let this happen again.
> There's a story to follow this one that has never been heard: What ever
> happened to the next SCA smart-guy at that camp who thought he could
> show these instructors a thing or two about pole-weapons?
> Gunthar
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