[Sca-cooks] Turkeys ARE Period!

[Wanda Pease]

The quote means that "Turkeys are Period" in certain places in Europe and
England by 1500=1540... That doesn't mean that it was period for prior to
that time (not Italian quadrocento, not "Viking", not the Court of Richard
II of England, not Anglo-Saxon.

The biggest problem with the "look!  We have a reference in the 16th Century
that X was known.  So X is Period!"  Thereby blessing the use of it for
everyone from Sarmatians to 16th century AD Greeks.  The turkey that would
have been known in the period and places you mention would have been utterly
different birds than the Safeway Special .39 variety that I like to roast
for Thanksgiving, and the ones that our cooks usuallly can get.

This always beings the picture from the movie 1776 of Adams, Jefferson and
Franklin debating what the symbolic bird of the US should be.  Franklin was
for the Turkey "A brave fellow who would think nothing of routing a whole
regiment of Englishmen..." , Jefferson was holding out for the Dove.  I so
identify with Adams as he insists 'THE Eagle!"

Johann, isn't there also some reason to think that the Turkey came in
through the trade routes from the middle East and thought of as native to
India or Turkey?

Regina, who still has that rosary you gave her so many years ago.  I keep it
with my "special" jewelry (although it is not jewelry) because it is a good
thing!






> > I'm sorry, but the poultrier has to weigh in here...The Spanish
> introduced
> > the Mayan Turkey(different species than NA wild turkey) into Europe by
> > 1500. The birds were being raised and sold in markets in
> ENGLAND by 1540
> > because HenryVIII put a price limit on how much one could
> charge.  By the
> > time the Pilgrims left for NA they had already seen turkeys in
> the markets
> > to England and the Netherlands. The Dutch were already breeding WHITE
> > turkeys by 1670...
> >  The Spanish Blacks were introduced to England and there developed into
> > the Norfolk Blacks, these are now two of the oldest and rarest
> breeds of
> > turkeys left...the ancestral Mayan bird is in decline as well.
> >
> >  Now, I have to say the word 'turkey' can be mis leading and we need to
> > know that Guineas have been called 'turkeys' for a long time
> before the NA
> > bird..which is why the NA bird was first called the INDIAN
> turkey...until
> > of course we realized that we weren't in India...
> >
> >  sorry, ramblings of a poultry laurel....
> >  Johann von Metten
> >  aren't ya glad ya didn't get me going on chickens and eggs!! lol!!
>
>
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