[Sca-cooks] RE: Chivalry and Supporting your Local Monarch

[Radei Drchevich]

I disagree.  "there are times when a Man of Honor can not blindly follow orders".

the hand that gives the orders is guilty of the thought<still a sin>, the hand that committed,carries more guilt, for not only did he knowingly commit the act, but He was aware of the Sin of the act<so the do-er is twice guilty>.

my opinion.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tom.vincent at yahoo.com
> To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org
> Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] RE: Chivalry and Supporting your Local Monarch
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:34:43 -0700 (PDT)
> 
> 
> People will frame things as 'courtesy', 'loyalty', 'honor' or 
> 'duty' in order to get their way, when what it really means is:  
> Obey, do what I say, don't think independently, don't come to your 
> own conclusions, diversity (unless I approve of it) is not allowed.
> 
> Duriel
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: grizly <grizly at mindspring.com>
> To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:07:02 AM
> Subject: RE: [Sca-cooks] RE: Chivalry and Supporting your Local Monarch
> 
> 
> I think that I travel the same road you do on this topic, or at least one
> that appears very similar.  The personal challenge I have it that there
> isn't a modern applicable committment to actual, real laws of chivalry.
> They get all mutated into what people think of as social politeness and call
> it "chivalrous".  My statements of character traits are directed at the the
> modern SCA transcription and redation of Laws of Chivarly from multiple
> times and places into the cutsy version bandied about when gathered to
> nay-say someone or something.
> 
> Actual codes of behavior and disciplines are good meat for the broth, as it
> were.
> 
> 
> niccolo difrancesco
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> Actually, according to both the rules of fealty and bushido (funny how
> warrior codes seem to mimic each other), an honorable man commits
> dishonorable acts in accordance to his superior's orders. The blame of
> the acts lies with the person who gave the order and not with the
> hand that carries it out. Much like the "I was only following orders"
> commentary in the Nuremburg trials.
> 
> <<<SNIP>>>
> 
> Unfortunately, the concepts you mention are considered more fuzzy than
> the strict laws of the Chivalric Code. These were guideposts and objects
> to guide a virtuous life by, but not enforced. The Code of Chivalry was
> pretty unbreakable within its boundries.
> 
> Gunthar  >>>>>>>
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