[Sca-cooks] RE: Chivalry and Supporting your Local Monarch

[Phil Troy / G. Tacitus Adamantius]

On May 10, 2006, at 1:38 PM, Radei Drchevich wrote:

> I disagree.  "there are times when a Man of Honor can not blindly  
> follow orders".
>
> the hand that gives the orders is guilty of the thought<still a  
> sin>, the hand that committed,carries more guilt, for not only did  
> he knowingly commit the act, but He was aware of the Sin of the  
> act<so the do-er is twice guilty>.
>
> my opinion.

Mine, too, but in a discussion of different interpretations of  
fealty, perhaps this is moot.

Adamantius


>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: tom.vincent at yahoo.com
>> To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org
>> Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] RE: Chivalry and Supporting your Local  
>> Monarch
>> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:34:43 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>
>> People will frame things as 'courtesy', 'loyalty', 'honor' or
>> 'duty' in order to get their way, when what it really means is:
>> Obey, do what I say, don't think independently, don't come to your
>> own conclusions, diversity (unless I approve of it) is not allowed.
>>
>> Duriel
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>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: grizly <grizly at mindspring.com>
>> To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:07:02 AM
>> Subject: RE: [Sca-cooks] RE: Chivalry and Supporting your Local  
>> Monarch
>>
>>
>> I think that I travel the same road you do on this topic, or at  
>> least one
>> that appears very similar.  The personal challenge I have it that  
>> there
>> isn't a modern applicable committment to actual, real laws of  
>> chivalry.
>> They get all mutated into what people think of as social  
>> politeness and call
>> it "chivalrous".  My statements of character traits are directed  
>> at the the
>> modern SCA transcription and redation of Laws of Chivarly from  
>> multiple
>> times and places into the cutsy version bandied about when  
>> gathered to
>> nay-say someone or something.
>>
>> Actual codes of behavior and disciplines are good meat for the  
>> broth, as it
>> were.
>>
>>
>> niccolo difrancesco
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Actually, according to both the rules of fealty and bushido (funny  
>> how
>> warrior codes seem to mimic each other), an honorable man commits
>> dishonorable acts in accordance to his superior's orders. The  
>> blame of
>> the acts lies with the person who gave the order and not with the
>> hand that carries it out. Much like the "I was only following orders"
>> commentary in the Nuremburg trials.
>>
>> <<<SNIP>>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, the concepts you mention are considered more fuzzy  
>> than
>> the strict laws of the Chivalric Code. These were guideposts and  
>> objects
>> to guide a virtuous life by, but not enforced. The Code of  
>> Chivalry was
>> pretty unbreakable within its boundries.
>>
>> Gunthar  >>>>>>>
>>
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