[Sca-cooks] rose-infused oil vs. rose otto?

Stefan li Rous StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
Thu Nov 16 00:35:01 PST 2006

Sydney replied:
<<< The name used in modern perfumer, aromatherapy, etc. is actually  
rose otto
(I believe that attar is the etymology of otto).  In modern terms, attar
usually refers to an oil distilled into sandalwood oil.

 > I think Sydner meant "attar of roses," which is highly  
concentrated, and
 > very, very expensive, being, IIRC, actual oil of roses.  "Rose- 
 > would imply an external source of oil, acquiring the rose scent/ 
flavor to
 > some varying degree (strong or not) through an infusion process.
 > At least, that's how I interpreted it. >>>

Thank you. Although I couldn't think of it at the time, "attar of  
roses" was what I had heard before, so this "rose otto" was confusing  
me. So, an otto is the oil actually obtained from a plant, while an  
attar is a combination of the plant essence and the oil used to  
extract it?

The following is a message that was posted here several months ago.  
This would be an attar of roses, rather than a rose otto, correct?

This sounds like a two part recipe. First extract the rose essence  
into the olive oil. Then mix the resulting olive oil with tree oil or  
a butter/wax mixture. What would "tree oil" be? Walnut oil, perhaps?  
And why mix the olive oil with more oil instead of using the oil as  
it already is? And why butter and wax or only tree oil? Or am I  
interpreting that wrong and either the tree oil or the butter is to  
be mixed with the wax?


Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 06:04:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sandra Jakl <kieralady2 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Rose petal syrup
To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org

I made the below from the leftover roses from Saeraid
II Queen's Champion.

On a tangent... We got quite a deal on roses. Try
globalrose.com for all your bulk rose needs. I also
used them (globalrose.com) for my wedding. Great
prices!! They are NOT organic, but for
cosmetic/decorative purposes, they're awesome.

I realize this is an oil, not a syrup, but it is
mildly pertinent information.

<101> Item also mach rosen ?l. Nym iij lb. pawm?ls vnd
j lb. rosen pleter vnd thue das in ein gla? oder in
einen hafen, der glesen sey, vnd mach das oben gancz
eben zu vnd henck das an die sunnen dreyssig tage vnd
darnach tr?ck es durch ein tuch. Das o:el ist zumol
gut furr alle hicz, die dem menschen kumbt in der
kranckheyt, so man die wipron vnd die stirnn do mit
bestreicht, magstu nit gehaben pawmol, so nym gut
meyen putternn vnd ein vncz wachs, zu la? das
allererst vnd thue es dann zusammenn. Mann sagt, das
es pesser sej dann das erste.

<101> Make rose oil thus. Take 3 pounds of olive oil
and 1 pound of rose petals and put that into a glass
or a pot made out of glass and close the top tightly
and hang it out in the sun for thirty days and then
pass it through a cloth. The oil is mainly good
against all kinds of heat that comes from sickness, if
you rub it over the brows and forehead. If you do not
have tree oil, take good may butter and an ounce of
wax and melt it first and then mix it. It is said that
the latter is better than the former.

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