[Sca-cooks] Gems preventing poisoning
Suey
lordhunt at gmail.com
Fri Dec 28 15:13:19 PST 2007
My many thanks to Emilio Szabo for your interest in this matter and all
the websites you provided. I think now I can almost complete my own
homework assignment better. The text Emilio requested is as follows:
Alonso Luengo, Luis, "La Gastronomia en el passo honroso de Suero de
Quiñones. _Actas del congreso de gastronomía popular leonesa_.
Diputación Provincial de León. 1944:44:
Señalan los lapidarios, que cada piedra preciosa acumula
"/virtud contra determinada ponzoña e aire infecto: rubí, diamante, e
gigorza, e coral, e olicornio. . ./" Y libran a los comensales de los
diabólicos venenos de los alimentos y otras desgracias que al comer
puedan acontecer. Así, el coral detiene el rayo; el "galacio" atrae a
las nubes; el "granate" recoge el calor; y aquella piedra preciosa del
Gran Chamberlan que cuando alguno dice en su presencia una mentira, muda
el color. Y otras en fin, comenta Villena -- "como la que se face con el
corazón de ome muerto con veneno endurecido o lapirificado con fuego
revervante", piedra esta que, puesta sobre las lúas o guantes que ha de
usar el Maestresala, tiene tal poder que enlaza con la rúbrica de su
fulgor extraordinarios, todo los fulgores de las demás piedras preciosas
-- que están en la mano de cada comensal -- y sienta una protección
general contra todos los maleficios diabólicos.
Dos clases de piedras preciosas señalan los lapidarios como
esenciales par el comer: las piedras /frías /-- a la cabeza el diamante
-- contra los maleficios de los alimentos calientes o de sangre - como
la carne - ; y las piedras calientes -- el granate y la manera contra
los maleficios de alimentos fríos - no de sangre -- como los pescados.
Now I see by this that not only can I not find what 'galacio' is but I
am missing citations and the translation of this stone:
*gigorza,* *gorgorça*, 1. an unidentified precious stone. It was valued
as much as a diamond or ruby, thought to annul poison in foods and had
powers to provide happiness, health, success, protection and cures among
other things. 2. a green apple. It was used to raise the spirits,
egoism, tension and stress, prevent nightmares, provide success with new
endeavors and attract friendships. 3. a 13^th C sculptured amulet. In
it was the image of a bull to fortify the eyes, stop hemorrhaging,
alleviate rheumatism and if a little piece of money was carried with it
at all times, financial success was possible. **
Where I got the above info is beyond me definition is beyond me. The
only 'gigorza' I have heard of is Emilio di Gigorza, the baritone,
second husband of Emma Eames.
I can't find the Latin link between 'Emilio' and a very valuable
green stone I believe, any ideas?
Suey
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properly.
Thank you for all the sca-cooks-request at lists.ansteorra.org wrote:
> 4. Gems preventing poisoning (emilio szabo)
> 5. OT - Canned White Shoepeg Corn (Jane Boyko)
> 6. Re: OT - Canned White Shoepeg Corn (Daniel & Elizabeth Phelps)
> 7. Re: OT - Canned White Shoepeg Corn (Etain1263 at aol.com)
> 8. Re: OT - Canned White Shoepeg Corn (Elaine Koogler)
> 9. Gems preventing poisoning (emilio szabo)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:56:20 -0500
> From: Heleen Greenwald <heleen at ptd.net>
> Subject: [Sca-cooks] Posh Nosh
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> Just came across this, a good giggle:
>
> Posh Nosh, a Brit com.... but these bits are from You Tube.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scPT7n5s4nY
> comfort food
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfN4_52loC4
> Paella
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yndReNRrRY
> sauces
>
> Happy New Year Everyone!
> Phillipa
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:13:51 -0300
> From: Suey <lordhunt at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Sca-cooks] Gems preventing poisoning
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> On diamonds, Emilio wrote that as they were not polished properly
> until the 1450's he believes them an error but the original source turns
> out to be Juan de Encina who wrote this between 1439-1440 and mentions
> them twice in the text on Suero de Qui?ones jousting tournament.
> Got a gem of a gem today - "galicio". There was an area in Turkey
> today called Galicia and there is that of Spain. I find no scientific
> name for this. It comes from Encina as well. Does anyone have any idea
> what this could be? I cannot even fathom a color for it. 'It freed
> eaters of poisonous foods and other misfortunes that could occur while
> eating.'
> Suey
>
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> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 14:31:59 -0800
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> Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Appliance repair
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> I have a frustrating problem with my relatively new Oster toaster oven. The light just went out and there is NOTHING in the owner's manual about replacing it. There is no access to the bulb from inside or out!! I called Oster and found that the nearest repair shop for their stuff is San Francisco or Concord. Bummer.
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 23:27:40 +0000 (GMT)
> From: emilio szabo <emilio_szabo at yahoo.it>
> Subject: [Sca-cooks] Gems preventing poisoning
> To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org
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>
>> ... I have a little problem with your
>> citations in Italian, German and Middle English...If you prefer modern English: Many articles on the following site mention old sources
>>
> in modern English paraphrase:
>
> http://www.jjkent.com/articles/precious-stones-guide-vol9/index.htm
>
> E.g.: http://www.jjkent.com/articles/medicinal-virtues-emeralds.htm
> ("... The emerald was employed as an antidote
> for poisons and for poisoned wounds, as well as against demoniacal
> possession. (Lapidario del Rey D. Alfonso X, Codice Original, Madrid,
> 1881, f. xv.)")
>
> This passage in question was translated into Castilian by Maria Brey Marino
> as follows:
>
> 46. De la piedra que tiene nombre "zamorat".
> Del d?cimosexto grado del signo de Tauro es la piedra a
> que dicen en ar?bigo "zamorat" y en latin "esmeralda". Esta piedra
> es verde, de muy hermosa verdura, y cuanto m?s lo es, tanto es
> mejor. Mezclada es de naturaleza de tierra y de piedra; y
> es, de su naturaleza, fr?a y seca. H?cese mucha en las minas
> de oro y h?llanla en tierra de Occidente m?s que en otro lugar.
>
> Su virtud es tal que sirve contra todos los t?sigos mortales
> y heridas o mordeduras de bestias venenosas; si tomaren de ella
> peso de una dracma, la molieren, la cernieren y la dieren a beber
> con vino o con agua al hombre envenenado, sana, que no
> muere ...
>
> There are other places where it is said that you have to wear the gemstone
> around your neck, on the left hand etc.
>
>
> Here is C.W. King's "Antique gems"; it includes a translation of Marbod's
> Liber de lapidibus seu de gemmis, which was probably the most important
> text during the Middle Ages.
> http://books.google.com/books?id=PRgGAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=intitle:gems&lr=&num=100&as_brr=1
>
> Marbod starts here:
> http://books.google.com/books?id=PRgGAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=intitle:gems&lr=&num=100&as_brr=1#PPA389,M1
> (John Riddle, in his edition of Marbod, suggests alternative translations now and then but still reprints King's translation.)
>
> Could you please quote, what Alfonso Luengo wrote?
>
> Another valuable article is Urban Tigner Holmes's "Mediaeval gem stones", published in Speculum, vol. 9, 1934, pages 195-204. Among other things, he used inventories of kings in order to see what kinds of gems they really had.
>
> There is also a 15th century spanisch adaption of Marbode, on which see Nunemaker in a short article in Speculum, vol. 13, 1938, page 62-67.
>
> Of course, reading the old texts in the original language opens a field
> which is much wider. E.g., there is a transcription of
>
> the "Lapidaire" attributed to Jean de Mandeville:
>
>
>
> http://www.univ-provence.fr/Local/cuerma/dir/user-1086/Gontero-lapidaireFV.pdf
>
>
> A printed "lapidaire en francoys compose par messire Jehan des mandeuille cheualier"
> is online at http://gallica.bnf.fr
> This text, e.g., says in the chapter about "Le dyamant" that it "fuit venin" (makes poison flee);
> This echos a passage in Marbod's "De adamante": "Atra venena fugat" 'it chases away black poisions' (John Riddle, improving on King's translation).
>
> Happy new year to all,
> Emilio
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:46:53 -0500
> From: Jane Boyko <jboyko at magma.ca>
> Subject: [Sca-cooks] OT - Canned White Shoepeg Corn
> To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <4774396D.8000509 at magma.ca>
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> Hello to all American cooks!
>
> I am hoping you can help me. I am searching for canned white shoepeg
> corn and I have not been able to find it in Canada. My parents who
> travel to Texas most winters, but not his year, acquired a wonderful
> bean salad recipe which calls for this corn. We have made it with the
> canned yellow corn available in Canada and compared it to the salad my
> mom makes with the shoepeg. The shoepeg is far yummier. I live in
> Ottawa, Ontario and I am getting to the point where I would be willing
> to drive to New York to find some of this corn. So my questions to all
> of you in the US are:
>
> If you are familiar with this type of corn can you tell me where it is
> sold? It does not matter to me where in the US as my parents plan to
> travel there in 2008 and if we can plot out locations my mom can make
> sure to get some.
>
> If there is anyone in New York State who is familiar with this product
> can you tell me what grocery store I could find it in? I can google
> search the chain and find one close to my border crossing.
>
> Many thanks to everyone.
> Jane
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:01:23 -0600
> From: "Daniel & Elizabeth Phelps" <dephelps at embarqmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] OT - Canned White Shoepeg Corn
> To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
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> I seem to recall it being available frozen.
>
> Daniel
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jane Boyko" <jboyko at magma.ca>
> To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 5:46 PM
> Subject: [Sca-cooks] OT - Canned White Shoepeg Corn
>
>
>
>> Hello to all American cooks!
>>
>> I am hoping you can help me. I am searching for canned white shoepeg
>> corn and I have not been able to find it in Canada. My parents who
>> travel to Texas most winters, but not his year, acquired a wonderful
>> bean salad recipe which calls for this corn. We have made it with the
>> canned yellow corn available in Canada and compared it to the salad my
>> mom makes with the shoepeg. The shoepeg is far yummier. I live in
>> Ottawa, Ontario and I am getting to the point where I would be willing
>> to drive to New York to find some of this corn. So my questions to all
>> of you in the US are:
>>
>> If you are familiar with this type of corn can you tell me where it is
>> sold? It does not matter to me where in the US as my parents plan to
>> travel there in 2008 and if we can plot out locations my mom can make
>> sure to get some.
>>
>> If there is anyone in New York State who is familiar with this product
>> can you tell me what grocery store I could find it in? I can google
>> search the chain and find one close to my border crossing.
>>
>> Many thanks to everyone.
>> Jane
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:09:47 EST
> From: Etain1263 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] OT - Canned White Shoepeg Corn
> To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org
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> try Cope's brand...it might only be available regionally...
>
> Etain
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> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:10:22 -0500
> From: "Elaine Koogler" <kiridono at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] OT - Canned White Shoepeg Corn
> To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
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> I have used the frozen variety in the Brunswick stew that I make (which also
> calls for shoepeg corn), and it works very well. I get mine at my local
> Safeway grocery store...and I know they are a national chain. I STR that
> the brand name is Hanover.
>
> Kiri
>
> On Dec 27, 2007 8:01 PM, Daniel & Elizabeth Phelps <dephelps at embarqmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>> I seem to recall it being available frozen.
>>
>> Daniel
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jane Boyko" <jboyko at magma.ca>
>> To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 5:46 PM
>> Subject: [Sca-cooks] OT - Canned White Shoepeg Corn
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hello to all American cooks!
>>>
>>> I am hoping you can help me. I am searching for canned white shoepeg
>>> corn and I have not been able to find it in Canada. My parents who
>>> travel to Texas most winters, but not his year, acquired a wonderful
>>> bean salad recipe which calls for this corn. We have made it with the
>>> canned yellow corn available in Canada and compared it to the salad my
>>> mom makes with the shoepeg. The shoepeg is far yummier. I live in
>>> Ottawa, Ontario and I am getting to the point where I would be willing
>>> to drive to New York to find some of this corn. So my questions to all
>>> of you in the US are:
>>>
>>> If you are familiar with this type of corn can you tell me where it is
>>> sold? It does not matter to me where in the US as my parents plan to
>>> travel there in 2008 and if we can plot out locations my mom can make
>>> sure to get some.
>>>
>>> If there is anyone in New York State who is familiar with this product
>>> can you tell me what grocery store I could find it in? I can google
>>> search the chain and find one close to my border crossing.
>>>
>>> Many thanks to everyone.
>>> Jane
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sca-cooks mailing list
>>> Sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org
>>> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/sca-cooks-ansteorra.org
>>>
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