Elaine Koogler kiridono at gmail.com
Mon Nov 24 17:20:08 PST 2008

```Thanks so much to everyone!  I think I at least have the glimmerings of how
to figure both the rue problem and the kail one as well out.

Kiri

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Terry Decker <t.d.decker at att.net> wrote:

> Al-kayl is a standard measure of weight using different volume measures to
> measure the same weight of product.  Thus a kayl of honey and a kayl of
> wheat weigh the same, but have different volumes.
>
> Kayl, as I understand it, can also be used colloquially to simply mean
> "measure."  Looking at the translation, I think it may be used this way in
> some of the recipes in the Anonymous Andalusian cookbook to provide ratios:
> one measure of x to one of y, three measures of x to one of y, etc.
>
> Bear
>
>
>  Actually, it's from the Anonymous Andalusian cookery book (13th c.) and it
>> was used in connection with honey rather than a dry measure.
>>
>> Kiri
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Terry Decker <t.d.decker at att.net> wrote:
>>
>>  Al kail or al kayl means, in general, "standard measure."  You need the
>>> context for the precise meaning.  In trade, it is a standard measure of
>>> grain (also "kaila)"used in the levying of taxes.  Under Ghengis Khan,
>>> the
>>> kail was roughly 8.87 kg.  Under the Turks, it was roughly 35 liters.
>>> However, I suspect your usage is "dirham al-kayl" which varies by
>>> location
>>> and time, but is likely to be 50.4 grains.  11 1/9 dirham al-kayl = 1
>>> uqiyah
>>> = 1/12  rotl.  "Alqueire" is an Iberian corruption of the Islamic
>>> "al-kayl"
>>> and is used in some Spanish and Portuguese speaking cultures as as a
>>> large
>>> volume dry measure and/or a measure of land.
>>>
>>> Bear
>>>
>>>  Also...I have run across a number of references to a measurement called
>>> *
>>>
>>>> kail*.  Any idea how much that would be?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!!
>>>>
>>>> Kiri
>>>>
>>>
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