[Sca-cooks] 16th Century Pizza
johnnae at mac.com
Thu Aug 6 17:14:31 PDT 2009
I should explain that I posted the pizza note because it's just another
funny, well not so funny historical question that we have dealt with time
and time again on this list and since it's showing up all over the web
this website I am betting we will see people saying they can serve
at events because of this website and this information.
Hey they have a source that says 1522.
I would suggest the reasons we would not be seeing tomatoes on pizza in
Naples as in
"but later the poorer people of Naples added the new tomatoes to their
yeast dough and created the first simple pizza, as we know it."
is more a question of how long it took the plant to become established
enough fruit for it to become cheap enough to be used as the street food.
Would something so rare and so expensive be used or available to be used
as street food?
We also have the new translation of Scappi so we can use that to
was being said in Italy during the 16th century, but I am sure the
argument will be made that
the papal court did not eat the street food that was eaten in Naples.
I cc'ed the entire post to Baroness Helewyse so it would be in her
in-box when she gets home from the war.
I'm sure she'll be amused.
We are all co-authors by the way of this rather famous article:
"Sixteenth Century Italian and Spanish Tomato References" by *Johnnae*
llyn Lewis, Helewyse de Birkestad, and Brighid ni Chiarain.
Why don't you (and anyone else that cares to respond) send your comments
historical /inaccuracy/ directly to the site owner at lstrad at hevanet.com
Raphaella DiContini wrote:
> There were variations of "pizza" pre-1600, but none that I know of mention anything about tomato. If you're just talking about flat disks of some sort of dough with toppings, most of the recipes that I've seen tend to be much more often fruit, sugar and sweet spices.
> Just a quick run through Scappi snipped
> Translation from Helewyse de Birkestad snipped
> In joyous service,
> --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Johnna Holloway <johnnae at mac.com> wrote:
>> From: Johnna
>> Here's something akin to 'they spiced
>> rotten meat and ate it'...
>> Pizza dates to 1522 according to whatscookingamerica.net.
>> This date is now being cited all over the web as the
>> authentic date
>> for pizza with tomatoes.
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