[Sca-cooks] Shakespeare, suckets, ambergris etc
Stefan li Rous
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
Fri Aug 28 13:10:23 PDT 2009
Alys mentioned a items and I thought I'd make a few, diverse comments.
<<< I'd almost add, if you want something actually Shakespearean, buy
something else. I didn't look closely at the "food" recipes, but I did
look at the sugar/dessert ones. The first thing I saw was that the
authors say that sugar paste is a combination of sugar and almonds.
Wonder if they were thinking of marzipan?
marzipan-msg (98K) 1/ 9/08 Use of marzipan (almond paste) in
Sugar-Paste-art (20K) 8/23/06 "Sugar Paste: A Cook's 'Play
Dough'" by Dame
Alys Katharine, O.L., O.P.
sugar-paste-msg (126K) 1/ 9/08 Making sugar paste sotelties.
Here is some more info on food actually mentioned by Sharkespeare.
fd-n-Shkspear-msg (10K) 12/23/08 Mentions of food in Shakespeare's
<<< They also equate "comfits" with "suckets" and have the potential
making sugared orange peel (crisp, no less), and sticking it upright
into marchpanes. >>>
I've seen a fair amount, most commercial, candied orange peel which
was stiff enough to stand up when stuck into cookies or whatever.
candied-peels-art (16K) 3/21/06 "Candied Fruit Peel" by Dame Alys
candied-peels-msg (58K) 2/ 2/07 Candied fruit peels. A late period
Even on this list we've tended to talk a lot more about comfits than
suckets, as these two files indicate.
suckets-msg (7K) 4/ 1/02 Spices, fruit or fruit peel in a
comfits-msg (62K) 2/16/08 Period candied spices and seeds.
Smooth-Cmfits-art (12K) 5/30/07 "Historic Comfits Using Modern
Dame Alys Katharine, O.L., O.P.
<<< I noticed ambergris. They mentioned that
it came from whales and that it was unavailable today so that if you
were making a recipe with it, leave it out. Then, why o why did they
put it *in* the modern version?? (Yes, I know ambergris can be obtained
on the internet in other countries.) >>>
Lol. Hence the perennial question that continues to come up here about
if I substitute for something in a medieval recipe is it still a
medieval recipe? And if I do substitute, what is and is not an
acceptable substitution. And if I can't obtain something, should I
just skip that particular recipe and pick something else I do have all
the ingredients for? And if I do have the ingredients, just how close
do they resemble the named ingredients in period? etc, etc. :-)
ambergris-msg (8K) 2/12/08 Use of ambergris in period.
My apologies if this is too many Florilegium references. However, I
know there are a number of newer people here who have probably missed
our earlier discussions on these topics and perhaps they, like I was,
aren't familiar with some of these items at all. Or I was/am more
ignorant than most. :-)
It's also interesting to note how many of the above articles were
written by Alys Katherine. :-)
THLord Stefan li Rous Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra
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