[Sca-cooks] Tudor Recipe help

Patricia Collum pjc2 at cox.net
Sat Jun 13 21:31:30 PDT 2009

You folks are such a wonderful source of info! Thanks!

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From: "Johnna Holloway" <johnnae at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Tudor Recipe help

> Since the recipe is given as being from "G. Markham- The English 
> Housewife"
> it could well be a sweeter orange. Markham's EH first came out in 1615
> and appears often thereafter.
> There is a reliable online history of oranges. It's part of the book:
> Reuther, Webber, and  Batchelor. /The Citrus Industry/. Revised Edition. 
> Riverside, CA:  University of California. Division of Agricultural 
> Sciences, 1967. Volume I: History, World Distribution, Botany, and 
> Varieties. http://lib.ucr.edu/agnic/webber/
> Actually they point out, as does Tolkowsky, that it's probable some sort 
> of sweet orange was already growing
> "in the Mediterranean regions of Europe prior to Vasco da Gama's voyage of 
> discovery of 1497 A.D"....
> because in 1483, "the king of France, Louis XI, ....requests that the 
> governor send him "citrons and sweet oranges , muscatel pears and 
> parsnips, and it is for the holy man who eats neither meat nor fish and 
> you will be doing me a very great pleasure."
>  Since the holy man referred to is Saint Francis of Paula, who had just 
> arrived at the court of Louis XI,
> Tolkowsky considered it probable that the pious monk had already become 
> accustomed to eating sweet oranges in his native country of Calabria.
>      By the beginning of the sixteenth century, there was abundant 
> evidence showing that the sweet orange had become well established and had 
> assumed commercial importance in southern Europe."
> Johnnae
> Terry Decker wrote:
>> Unless you are doing very early Tudor, the orange could have been a sweet 
>> orange.  Sweet oranges enter Mediterranean Europe via Portugal in the 
>> first quarter of the 16th Century and quickly became the favorite orange 
>> of Europe.  By Elizabethean times, sweet and sour oranges would have been 
>> readily available.
>> Bear

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