[Sca-cooks] SC - Toasting salamander/Neapolitan Collection

[David Walddon]

He mentions several water marks some of which date to the earlier part of
the last half of the 15th century and one that was not produced until
1490-something. I need to find my notes on the subject for the exact date
and the reference for the watermarks.
Eduardo 


On 7/26/10 7:17 AM, "Johnna Holloway" <johnnae at mac.com> wrote:

> This is one of these problems that we encounter and never mention.
> (Manuscripts get dated in various ways. When they were written,
> copied, or finally printed may be cited in various places.)
> 
> Looking at the records for the actual manuscript, The Pierpont Morgan
> Library lists the manuscript
> under Notes: Ms. cookbook; written in Naples at the end of the
> fifteenth century.
> 
> It was a bequest to the library in 1985.
> "Bühler manuscripts (MS B.1-MS B.61): Among the many volumes
> bequeathed to the Library by Dr. Curt F. Bühler (1905-1985) was his
> collection of sixty-one medieval and Renaissance manuscripts. Dr.
> Bühler, who worked in the Department of Printed Books for fifty-two
> years, serving for many of them as its Keeper of Printed Books, was
> one of the world's leading authorities on the art and history of books
> printed during the fifteenth century. The manuscripts reflect his
> research interests, which were textual rather than art historical;
> consequently, they add another dimension to the Library's holdings.
> Especially intriguing is a late-fifteenth-century Neapolitan cookbook
> (MS B.19)."
> 
> 
> The detailed bibliography and descriptions for it say to check:
> 
> MS B.19
> 
> Ryskamp, Charles, ed., Twenty-First Report to the Fellows of the
> Pierpont Morgan
> Library, 1984-1986, New York, 1989, 32.
> 
> Kristeller, Paul Oskar, Iter Italicum, V, London, 1990, 345.
> 
> Benporat, Claudio, Cucina italiana del quattrocento, Florence, 1996.
> 
> Scully, Terence, ed. and trans., with Rudolf Grewe, Cuoco Napoletano:
> The Neapolitan
> Recipe Collection (New York Morgan Library, MS Bühler, 19), Ann Arbor,
> 2000.
> ---
> 
> So where does the information about the watermark appear? Scully just
> mentions the watermark is second half of the 15th century. We can
> write to the library and find out if they have more information as of
> this date.
> 
> Johnna
> 
> On Jul 26, 2010, at 9:50 AM, David Walddon wrote:
> 
>> The one of the water marks on the paper from the Neapolitan Collection
>> (which I usually refer to as Buhler 19) seems to indicate that this
>> specific
>> manuscript can NOT be from a time earlier than the 1490's. IIRC the
>> watermark did not exist until 1493 or there abouts.
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