[Sca-cooks] Fwd: Cherry Pottage

[Johnna Holloway]

Earlier Raymond Wickham <insidious565 at hotmail.com> stated
"Maybe the French (Odile Redon et al) and the Americans (Constance  
Heiatt et al) don't call them clove gillyflowers...because the same  
error appears every time I see this recipe translated by SCAdians."
and "It would also mean you don't have to "warn your guests that the  
cloves are there for decoration only" (Redon, et al, 1993)." This  
writer asserts that it's the flower and not the spice.

But perhaps Hieatt isn't wrong. If we return to the collections that  
make up  the Anglo-Norman Culinary Collections (Speculum 61 number 4  
(Oct. 1986))
we find this recipe:

3. Saugee. E un autre viaunde, ke ad noun saugee. Pernez bons especes,  
ceo est a
saver bon gingybre e clou de gilofre e kanele e galyngale, e festes  
braer en un morter;
si pernez une poine de sauge, si festes braer en cel morter od celes  
especes bien; e
pernez des oefs e festes quyre durs, e pernez hors le moel e festes  
braer oveskes le
sauge, e od vin egre ou eisil ou cerveyse egre festes le temprer, e  
pernez le blaunc de 5
l'oef e festes menu, e metez dedenz kaunt il est destempr6; e pernez  
pie de porc ou
char freide e metez dedenz; e puys dressez. page 863

The translation for the second line reads:
"take good spices, that is, ginger, cloves, cinnamon, and galingale,  
and grind them in a mortar;"

So here we have "clou de gilofre" very definitely included in a list  
of "bons especes."

Johnnae llyn Lewis, OE

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> On Mar 31, 2010, at 4:32 PM, Stefan li Rous wrote:
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>> Forwarded with permission.
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>> Stefan
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>>> From: Raymond Wickham <insidious565 at hotmail.com>
>>> Date: March 31, 2010 7:28:33 AM CDT
>>> To: <stefanlirous at austin.rr.com>
>>> Subject: Cherry Pottage
>>> The mistake is in the translation of  "clowe gilofre" to read  
>>> "cloves".  In Britain (and Australia) we have a little plant we  
>>> grow in cottage gardens: it's common name is 'Pink", it is  
>>> otherwise known as clove gillyflower or mini-carnation.