[Sca-cooks] Ibn Battula"s Meals

[David Walddon]

Tubular pasta in Martino 1460's.
Before that - No clue.
Eduardo 


On 10/4/10 9:17 AM, "Terry Decker" <t.d.decker at att.net> wrote:

> I shouldn't try to follow a thread when I'm tired.
> 
> The area you are describing is in the grain growing region of Southeast
> Europe.  While they might or might not have had durum, they would have had
> wheat and I would generally assume that any pasta would be made from some
> variety of wheat, except possibly in times of famine.  Neither buckwheat nor
> millet have gluten and any pasta made from them would likely be extremely
> friable.
> 
> The term macaroni derives from the Italian "maccaroni" meaning "dumpling."
> In the original usage, the word can be used to refer to almost any form of
> pasta.  IIRC, the first reference to tubular pasta shows up in early 15th
> Century Italy (check for references before taking that as gospel), but I
> don't remember that usage being outside of Italy.  In my view, tubular pasta
> is a remote possibility.  It is much more likely that the pasta would be
> flat noodles or dumplings.
> 
> Millet, BTW, makes a very decent polenta, either as a soft mush or a drier
> loaf.  I suspect that this was probably served as mush.
> 
> Bear
> 
> 
>> Since durum was being grown in Dhufar (west coast of the Arabian
>> Peninsula), the Horn of Africa would have had easy access to it.
>> 
>> My reply:
>> 
>> Yes but we are talking about a meal served in Azov a city up the River
>> Don. Azov (Russian: ?????, pronounced [a'zof]) is a town in Rostov Oblast,
>> Russia, situated on the Don River just sixteen kilometers from the Sea of
>> Azov.  The River Don flows into the Sea of Azov from the north east.  The
>> Sea of Azov connects to the Black Sea on its north side.
>> 
>> I suspect that "macaroni" is used by Dunn generically for pasta.  All that
>> being said the grain used in making the pasta could have been grown
>> locally? We know that millet was also served at the meal.   The "macaroni"
>> referenced could have been made from wheat, buckwheat or millet?  Macaroni
>> as we know it is in the form of tubular noodles.  Did tubular noodles
>> exist in Azov at the time?
>> 
>> Daniel
> 
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