[Sca-cooks] white vinegar

Saint Phlip phlip at 99main.com
Sat May 7 16:38:29 PDT 2011


Yeah, that's why I use white vinegar for cleaning and various other
non-edible projects, and apple cider, or wine, or (purported) balsamic
vinegar for food.

Be careful using cider vinegar, too- look on the bottle at the
ingredients. Much of it is just white vinegar to which flavorings have
been added. The only apples that have had any interaction with it are
the ones (if any) that the flavorings were derived from.

This is why I tend to get quiet giggles at some people and their
"allergies." They tend to tell me/us that they're allergic to things
they can't possibly be allergic to, because they don't realize that
the purported allergens don't exist in the foodstuffs they complain
about.  Just wish folks who don't have allergies would just say they
don't like whatever it is, and leave it at that. Would be a lot easier
on the rest of us, particularly people with real allergies.

On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Stefan li Rous
<StefanliRous at austin.rr.com> wrote:
> Arianwen ferch Arthur asked me:
> <<< Where did you find that distilled vinegar is made from petroleum
> products? >>>
>
> Not all distilled vinegar, but a surpisingly large amount is. I first heard
> this on this list, and then I started looking on the bottles of distilled
> vinegar in the store. While the smaller, and more expensive, bottles would
> say they were from natural products, the larger bottles would say they were
> from petroleum. Even from the same manufacturer, Heinz, I believe.
>
> So I've been using other vinegars in foods. Besides, it is the other trace
> elements in these other vinegars which give the taste and tones. I've also
> been careful to specify "white wine vinegar" rather than just "white
> vinegar" when giving ingredient lists.
>
> From: vinegar-msg (152K) 3/17/11 Vinegar in period. Making vinegar.
>
> http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD/vinegar-msg.html
>
> Also see these files on vinegar, also in the Florilegium FOOD section:
> Vinegar-art (20K) 5/26/01 "What's so special about Vinegar?" by Mistress
> Christianna MacGrain.
>
> Vinegar-NJFCC-art (18K) 10/23/01 "Vinegar: Not Just for Cleaning Coffeepots"
> by THL Mirin ben DhIarmait.
>
> -------
>
> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 21:29:54 -0500
>
> Subject: Re: SC - high grain all-natural vinegar?
>
>
> Chip wrote:
>
>> It seems that I once heard about petroleum-derived vinegar being fairly
>> common, but not common knowledge.
>
> Yes, distilled white vinegar can be made from petroleum. Not all of it is,
> though, so it may be hard to determine based on a bottle of the stuff. On a
> molecular level, acetic acid is acetic acid, and since there's nothing,
> AFAIK, in distilled white vinegar other than acetic acid and water, I don't
> worry too much about it.
>
> Adamantius
> -------
> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 12:40:41 -0500
>
> From http://www.nowheat.com/fooddb/food/vinegar.htm
>
> Distilled vinegar is not distilled. The name merely means that it is made
> from distilled alcohol. This is done in a fermentation process in which the
> fermenting bacteria, a species of Acetobacter, oxidizes the added alcohol to
> acetic acid. The fermentation mixture is filtered and diluted to give an
> acetic acid concentration of about 5%. This is vinegar. It does contain
> nitrogenous material which is in part derived from the nutrient mixture
> added to the fermentation in order to keep the Acetobacter growing, and in
> part from those bacteria that die and disintegrate during the fermentation.
>
> This acetic fermentation is common to all vinegars so that they all contain
> the same kinds of nitrogenous 'contaminants', although in differing amounts.
>
> ...[T]he ethyl alcohol from which [distilled vinegar] is made is distilled
> from a yeast fermentation mixture. (In the UK, however, I believe
> that'distilled vinegar' has a different meaning, that it is made from malt
> and that it is in fact, distilled.) In most of the world, molasses, which
> can be fermented directly by yeast, is the major source of alcohol. Alcohol
> is also made synthetically from petroleum products but I do not believe that
> alcohol from this source is much used in the food industry. In the U.S.,
> starches derived from grains are the major source, mostly (about 85%) from
> corn.
> End quote.
>
> Luanne Bartholomew
>
> (Amorwynne of Dalriada ... for now)
>
> -------
>
> Stefan
>
>
>
>
>
> --------
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>   Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
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