[Sca-cooks] white vinegar

Sat May 7 17:41:59 PDT 2011

I'm allergic to taxes, does that count?

On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Saint Phlip <phlip at 99main.com> wrote:

> Yeah, that's why I use white vinegar for cleaning and various other
> non-edible projects, and apple cider, or wine, or (purported) balsamic
> vinegar for food.
>
> Be careful using cider vinegar, too- look on the bottle at the
> ingredients. Much of it is just white vinegar to which flavorings have
> been added. The only apples that have had any interaction with it are
> the ones (if any) that the flavorings were derived from.
>
> This is why I tend to get quiet giggles at some people and their
> "allergies." They tend to tell me/us that they're allergic to things
> they can't possibly be allergic to, because they don't realize that
> the purported allergens don't exist in the foodstuffs they complain
> about.  Just wish folks who don't have allergies would just say they
> don't like whatever it is, and leave it at that. Would be a lot easier
> on the rest of us, particularly people with real allergies.
>
> On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Stefan li Rous
> <StefanliRous at austin.rr.com> wrote:
> > Arianwen ferch Arthur asked me:
> > <<< Where did you find that distilled vinegar is made from petroleum
> > products? >>>
> >
> > Not all distilled vinegar, but a surpisingly large amount is. I first
> heard
> > this on this list, and then I started looking on the bottles of distilled
> > vinegar in the store. While the smaller, and more expensive, bottles
> would
> > say they were from natural products, the larger bottles would say they
> were
> > from petroleum. Even from the same manufacturer, Heinz, I believe.
> >
> > So I've been using other vinegars in foods. Besides, it is the other
> trace
> > elements in these other vinegars which give the taste and tones. I've
> also
> > been careful to specify "white wine vinegar" rather than just "white
> > vinegar" when giving ingredient lists.
> >
> > From: vinegar-msg (152K) 3/17/11 Vinegar in period. Making vinegar.
> >
> > http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD/vinegar-msg.html
> >
> > Also see these files on vinegar, also in the Florilegium FOOD section:
> > Vinegar-art (20K) 5/26/01 "What's so special about Vinegar?" by Mistress
> > Christianna MacGrain.
> >
> > Vinegar-NJFCC-art (18K) 10/23/01 "Vinegar: Not Just for Cleaning
> Coffeepots"
> > by THL Mirin ben DhIarmait.
> >
> > -------
> >
> > Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 21:29:54 -0500
> >
> > Subject: Re: SC - high grain all-natural vinegar?
> >
> >
> > Chip wrote:
> >
> >> It seems that I once heard about petroleum-derived vinegar being fairly
> >> common, but not common knowledge.
> >
> > Yes, distilled white vinegar can be made from petroleum. Not all of it
> is,
> > though, so it may be hard to determine based on a bottle of the stuff. On
> a
> > molecular level, acetic acid is acetic acid, and since there's nothing,
> > AFAIK, in distilled white vinegar other than acetic acid and water, I
> don't
> > worry too much about it.
> >
> > Adamantius
> > -------
> > Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 12:40:41 -0500
> >
> > From http://www.nowheat.com/fooddb/food/vinegar.htm
> >
> > Distilled vinegar is not distilled. The name merely means that it is made
> > from distilled alcohol. This is done in a fermentation process in which
> the
> > fermenting bacteria, a species of Acetobacter, oxidizes the added alcohol
> to
> > acetic acid. The fermentation mixture is filtered and diluted to give an
> > acetic acid concentration of about 5%. This is vinegar. It does contain
> > nitrogenous material which is in part derived from the nutrient mixture
> > added to the fermentation in order to keep the Acetobacter growing, and
> in
> > part from those bacteria that die and disintegrate during the
> fermentation.
> >
> > This acetic fermentation is common to all vinegars so that they all
> contain
> > the same kinds of nitrogenous 'contaminants', although in differing
> amounts.
> >
> > ...[T]he ethyl alcohol from which [distilled vinegar] is made is
> distilled
> > from a yeast fermentation mixture. (In the UK, however, I believe
> > that'distilled vinegar' has a different meaning, that it is made from
> malt
> > and that it is in fact, distilled.) In most of the world, molasses, which
> > can be fermented directly by yeast, is the major source of alcohol.
> Alcohol
> > is also made synthetically from petroleum products but I do not believe
> that
> > alcohol from this source is much used in the food industry. In the U.S.,
> > starches derived from grains are the major source, mostly (about 85%)
> from
> > corn.
> > End quote.
> >
> > Luanne Bartholomew
> >
> > (Amorwynne of Dalriada ... for now)
> >
> > -------
> >
> > Stefan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --------
> > THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
> >   Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas
> StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
> > **** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****
> >
> >
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>
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>
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