[Sca-cooks] Somewhat OT: Historical Household Names using Food

[Gretchen R Beck]

And then, to acctually answer the question.

Sign names of the form <heraldic object> House, or <heraldic object> inn or Sign of the <heraldic object> are well attested in English.

A Pine Apple (in this case, referring to a pine cone, not a tropical pine apple, are found in the following period arms/rolls according to Papworth, An Alphabetical Dictionary of Coats of Arms belonging to Families in Great Britian and Ireland forming an extensive Ordinary or British Armorials"  Including:

p 428
Arg. a chev. betw three pine apples gu. ( Appurley) V
Arg, a chv between three pine cones slipped erect gu (Appurley) V
Argent, a chevron between three pine apples gue leaved vert (Christophers) V
Arg, a chev gu bet three pine cones slipped erect vert. Peperell, Conrwall =O)V
Gu. a chev. arg between three pine apples or. Prow, Essex, William Prowe, Harl MS 1432.


So, with that last one, you have an instance of pine apple used as a heraldic charge in 1432. (The rest are from the Glover's Ordinary, Cotton MS. Tiberius, Harl MSS 1392 and 1459) which dates sometime between 1544 and 1588 (which are the years that Robert Glover, the compiler, was alive).

The OED s.v pineapple has reference to the word itself in 1398: þe pynappel, is þe fruyt of þe pyne tree, and in the desired spelling in 1609:Other trees which beare a fruit which they call Ananes, in making and bignes like to a small Pineapple..  It is shown as Pyneapple in 1548, and the y->i switch in english spellings is well attested in the 16th C.  The OED also  has the pinapple as a well attested artistic motif dating from the mid 15th C: Blue clothe of gold wroght with netts and pyne appels.

I think that's probably sufficient to get the name passed with the designator in the back rather than in the front.

toodles, margaret



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Speaking as a herald, the first question is "which heralds rejected it" (was this Kingdom or Society level)...as a pineapple is an object that can be depicted (although I believe what is referred to as a pineapple is medieval Europe is more of a pine cone [source of pine nuts] rather than a modern tropical pineapple], this return sounds, pardon the pun, fishy...

toodles, margaret

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Subject: [Sca-cooks] Somewhat OT: Historical Household Names using Food

Hi Everyone,

One of my students is really wanting to register her household name officially. She wants to use basically House Pineapple as the name. Originally, she looked up middle eastern names.

The name was rejected as the heralds couldn't find any documentable proof of any households in period using food as a name.

I realize this isn't a heraldry list, but a foodie list and I thought out if all the intelligent people out there, you all might know of precedence of some estate or house... Something she can use to document House Pineapple. It doesn't need to be Middle Eastern either. Any culture is fine with leanings toward Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany, Etc.

I seem to remember reading about a household that was named after a pomegranate... But I can't remember where I read about it. I think it was Italian. I hate it when my mind just remembers odds and ends, and I can't link them up for real usefulness.

Any help would be fantastic.

Sorry for bandwidth hogging.

--Mercy

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