[Sca-cooks] Collections of canons from Church councils.
James Chevallier
jimcheval at aol.com
Wed Jul 24 18:48:31 PDT 2013
Well, that's a nuisance - posted a link to a French dictionary instead of :
http://books.google.com/books?id=6o9EAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=editions:8gyne1F7Be8C&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KILwUb3NJeaQigLYsIHIAw&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
The link to the Latin collection didn't work
http://atilf.atilf.fr/
And yes I did realize belatedly that what you can't download on Google Books you can often find on archive.org
Jim Chevallier
www.chezjim.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Bell <magnus77840 at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wed, Jul 24, 2013 8:32 am
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Collections of canons from Church councils.
This may be a French version of the Church councils.
http://archive.org/details/histoiredesconci21hefele
Internet Archive doesn't have the strange habits of google books.
The link to the Latin collection didn't work
http://atilf.atilf.fr/
Instead it said something in French that sounded very naughty.
best regards
Magnus
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Subject: [Sca-cooks] Collections of canons from Church councils.
There are various reasons for food historians to be interested in the
details of the various Church councils (synods): fasting rules, rules on
Christians eating with Jews, interdiction of horse meat, a mention of taverns
in
the ninth century, etc. Not that this stuff is necessarily easy to find, but
it's there for those care to dig. And just browsing these can be
intriguing.
Unfortunately the most complete collection I know is in Latin:
Delectus actorum Ecclesiae universalis seu nova summa Conciliorum ...,
Volume 1
http://atilf.atilf.fr/dendien/scripts/tlfiv5/advanced.exe?8;s=4044264045;
Even this is missing at least one key article - which fortunately can be
found in this subset from the Carolingien period:
Concilia aevi Karolini [742-842]. 1
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k952415.r=.langEN
Luckily there is at least one collection in French:
Les conciles: généraux et particuliers
By Paul Guérin
http://books.google.com/books?id=fu88AAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=edition
s:zgEE51o-OK4C&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tOfvUYDOFI-VjAKY_oG4BQ&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAQ#v=onepag
e&q&f=false
And now I've even found one (I think less complete) in English:
Hefele-A History of the Councils of the Church: From the Original
Documents, Volume 3
http://books.google.com/books?id=yaJsAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=edition
s:ZuRMU0Axxk0C&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VubvUab5L6KOigLDyIC4Ag&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepag
e&q&f=false
These are all in several volumes and Google Books is quirky about which it
makes available (I've downloaded all five volumes of Hefele, but only see
three available just now). So keep trying.
Also, if you do find useful material in French or English, it's always good
to try and find the Latin and decipher it. Translations can be approximate
at times.
Jim Chevallier
Comparing early and late medieval food in France
http://www.chezjim.com/food/pre-v/comparisons.html
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