[Sca-cooks] Sundays in Lent

Mon Jul 15 22:45:57 PDT 2013

Thanks! That seems to explain it. I didn't understand about the exact
extent to which the Sundays were an exception from the rules for fast
days.

-- 
Henry/Alex

On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 16:10:25 -0500, "Terry Decker" <t.d.decker at att.net> wrote:

> During the Middle Ages, the Western Church followed the Roman practice of
> observing forty weekdays of fasting (one meal a day general taken after
> sundown, although this was not a hard and fast rule) broken by Sundays.
> Even on Sundays meat and milk products were prohibited.  So the coronation
> meals likely represent normal Sunday fare with dispensation for the meat
>
> Bear
>
>> I've been studying feast menus from around the time of Henry V, and
>> have a question about them. Both Henry V and his bride Catherine of
>> Valois were apparently crowned in Lent, and if I have the dates right
>> (this depends on whether my sources agree on how to handle
>> Julian-Gregorian conversion), they were both crowned on Sundays.
>>
>> My question is this: Both feasts were almost entirely of fish, with
>> one or two dishes of flesh. Does this mean that these Sundays were
>> fish days, and flesh was included by dispensation, or did most of each
>> menu amount to a voluntary fast?
>>
>> --
>> Henry/Alex
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 14:34:52 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> From: lilinah at earthlink.net
> To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org
> Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Fabulous Feasts
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> As a Californian i have a certain prejudice for Mediterranean recipes over
> English (as Wulfric calls it, Curry on Brown Goo), since they make use of
> fresh produce easily available here. So my favorite beginner books are
>
> The Medieval Kitchen: Recipes from France and Italy
> Odile Redon, Fran?oise Sabban, and Silvano Serventi
> University of Chicago Press, 2000
> Softcover, ISBN 0226706850
> This paperback appears to be available for around $10 from many used book
> vendors
>
> and
>
> The Original Mediterranean Cuisine: Medieval Recipes for Today
> Barbara Santich
> Chicago Review Press, 1996
> Softcover, ISBN 155652272X
> This paperback appears to be available for between $2 and $15 from many used
> book vendors
>
> For used book searches i HIGHLY recommend
> http://www.bookfinder.com
>
> bookfinder searches amazon, abe books, biblio, alibris, and many many more,
> all from one single search.
>
> bookfinder also finds books from non-US sellers, which is helpful when
> looking for books not published in the US or not in English - or if you
> don't live in the US...
>
> Urtatim (that's oor-tah-TEEM)
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 00:54:57 -0500
> From: Stefan li Rous <StefanliRous at austin.rr.com>
> To: SCA-Cooks maillist SCA-Cooks <SCA-Cooks at Ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Fabulous Feasts
> Message-ID: <9C2890F7-5A26-4090-B534-69D4E5ADD5AA at austin.rr.com>
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> Mercy asked:
> <<< Just how terrible is this book, Fabulous Feasts? I'm trying to gather up
> some good books for my students/friends to learn about period cooking and
> start off in baby steps. Suggestions on inexpensive period cook books that
> are GOOD would be appreciated.
>
> I own a crap ton of books, but other than the specific books with full
> translations, I'm a little hesitant to suggest books. ::sigh:; >>>
>
> Generally the first section about food is fairly good. The recipes are of
> unreliable vintages and often, aren't that good tasting. Read the first,
> ignore the second half.
>
> Fabulous-Fsts-msg (26K) 4/12/08 Reviews and comments on Madeleine Pelner
> Cosman's "Fabulous Feasts".
> http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-BOOKS/Fabulous-Fsts-msg.html
>
> For food book recommendations, I recommend this annotated bibliography:
> cookbooks-bib (44K) 2/15/04 Cookbook bib. by Mistress Jaelle of Armida.
> http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-BOOKS/cookbooks-bib.html
>
> As well as various book reviews in the FOOD-BOOKS section.
>
> books-food-msg (213K) 5/16/10 Books about food. Not cookbooks.
> http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-BOOKS/books-food-msg.html
>
> Stefan
>
> --------
> THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
>    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas
> StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
> **** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 10:05:12 -0400
> From: Johnna Holloway <johnnae at mac.com>
> To: SCA_Subtleties at yahoogroups.com,	Cooks within the SCA
> 	<sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>,	west-cooks at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Sca-cooks] Another Ivan Day Blog
> Message-ID: <A1CD4762-91FD-4A1B-AFFE-AAD06119B88A at mac.com>
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> And yet another new blog entry by Ivan Day
> http://foodhistorjottings.blogspot.com/
> Wednesday, 10 July 2013
>
> More Edible Artistry
>
> For those wondering what it is that Ivan and his students create at his
> courses, well here's a taste.
>
> Johnnae
>
> On Jul 10, 2013, at 6:38 AM, Elise Fleming wrote:
>
>> Greetings! Ivan Day (foodhistorjottings.blogspot.com) has just posted a
>> blog on "Lattice Top Tarts and Their Precursors" which starts in the
>> 1500s and works onward. A nice challenge for a special feast. Salivate
>> as you look at these!
>>
>> Alys K.__
>>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 10:37:08 -0400 (EDT)
> From: JIMCHEVAL at aol.com
> To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org
> Subject: [Sca-cooks] What happens when you eat celery, rockett,
> 	melilot leaves and orange blossom?
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> "a  9th century physician named Yuhanna ibn Masawayh, believed that ?
> lesbianism  results when a nursing woman eats celery, rocket, melilot leaves
> and
> the flowers  of a bitter orange tree. " "
>
> http://www.medievalists.net/2010/07/29/study-examines-the-same-sex-relations
> hips-of-medieval-arab-women/
>
> Jim  Chevallier
>
> Comparing early and late medieval food in France
> http://www.chezjim.com/food/pre-v/comparisons.html
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