[Scriptoris] was : Charters, Now: Inexpensive Award Regalia
Diane Rudin
serena1570 at yahoo.com
Mon Jan 12 18:06:55 PST 2004
--- Beth Hansen/Zubeydah wrote:
> They have a lovely Thistle pendant (0615 Thistle Emblem of Scotland SCA
> LARP), as well as a Laurel wreath that was really nice. Unfortunately, I
> can't get onto ebay to find their direct site, but if you do a search on
> them (treasurecastinc), you should find them pretty easily.
Oh, dear, I hate to rain on this, but the Scottish Thistle is not the same as
Ansteorra's Sable Thistle. In fact, it is presumptuous to wear the Scottish
Thistle in the SCA, as it is both a royal Scottish badge and the badge of the
Order of the Thistle (Scotland), said order being second only to the Order of
the Garter in precedence in Great Britain. Since we're doing historical study
here, it's claiming membership in an order to which one does not belong.
You have a very nice piece of jewelry you can wear anywhere in America (because
the U.S. does not protect foreign aristocratic order badge usage within the
U.S.), but not in Great Britian, and preferably not in the SCA. (For the
record, I made this mistake myself, years ago, when I bought the beautiful
James Avery Scottish Thistle pin to use as my Sable Thistle insignia. The
heralds quickly and emphatically corrected my mistake.)
That's why we should be very careful always to call it the "*Sable* Thistle".
It's from a different genus/species; the most botanically accurate drawing of
it is on the Sable Thistle charter that HL Suzanna the Herbalist designed. (I
don't know if that one's currently in circulation.) A rendering of the badge
as it is pictured in the SCA College of Arms's files is in the Official Awards
Texts on the Sable Thistle page.
http://heraldry.ansteorra.org/docs/AwardTexts1999.pdf
--Serena, Stellar Scroll
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