[Scriptoris] [SCA_S&I] Re: Talons Gold Gouache

[Hillary Greenslade]

Wow! what a great review, thanks for posting it.  
A number of years back I did a class on various gold substitutions in gouache, watercolors and acrylics, I need to go find those sample cards to see how they have stood up over the years... I think it's been around 12-15 years since the class was held.  
Thanks, Hillary / Ansteorra




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From: Yvianne <yvianne at zoominternet.net>
To: SCA_Scribes_and_Illumination at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, June 17, 2010 3:54:18 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA_S&I] Re: Talons Gold Gouache

  
About 17 years ago I started collecting samples of all of the gold or gold 
substitutes I could get my hands on.

Anyone who used to get the full sheets of Arches watercolor paper and cut 
them into 4 11x14 pieces will remember the thin scraps that were left over. 
I cut a few of them into 8-10 inch long pieces and drew a series of 
fleur-de-lis down the strip. Each one was filled in with a different type of 
"gold" and labeled. I now have quite a collection that shows how the various 
materials wear over time.

By coincidence I happen to have them out to take to a demo tomorrow. Here's 
the rundown .... (age of sample in parenthesis)

Sumi gold (17 years old)- you can still tell it's a metallic if the light 
catches it just right, but it's mottled pewter and gold. it surprised me 
when I looked at this because up until last fall it had still been one of 
the better golds on my sample sheet.

Flat gold leaf on gum ammoniac (17 years old) - beautiful & shiny but 
starting to flake a bit at the edges

Raised gold leaf on homemade gesso (17 years old) - Starting to show some 
wear from handling, otherwise pristine

Shell gold (17 years old) - pretty much unchanged. Super shiny but you can 
tell it's not gold leaf.

Rubber stamp embossing powder (16 years old) looked close to real raised 
gold gilding when originally done, now it's a raised lump of grey waxy 
looking nastiness.

W&N gold ink (16 years old) - Mostly still has a nice color and shine. There 
is a thin gray halo around the edges. Some of the shiny pigment has fallen 
off and there is also gray mottling in those areas.

Schminke Goldperl gouache (15 years old) - beautiful shine - close to real 
shell gold.

Fake gold leaf on gesso (12 years old)- starting to dull a bit, but still a 
shiny gold

Jo Sonja's gold acrylic (7 years old) - starting to get a slightly reddish 
cast but is still a vibrant color, comparable in shine to shell gold.

Personally I prefer to gild, but when I can't I grab the Schminke.

Regards,
Yvianne de Castel d'Avignon
AEthelmearc
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From: "Sandra Rangel" <arwynn16 at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:46 PM
To: <SCA_Scribes_and_Illumination at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [SCA_S&I] Re: Talons Gold Gouache

> How this does brand compare with the Windsor Newton gold gouache? Anyone
> used both? That's what I use and if the Sumi gold is far better I would
> gladly switch to it since I am starting to get low on my WN gold.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rohesia of Nottinghill Coill
> Atlantia
> 


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