SR - thoughts on city states ... different politics

Zimmermann, Leonard zimmerml at kci1.com
Mon Jul 6 06:17:40 PDT 1998


At http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cariadoc/counties.html there is a
proposal by Duke Cariadoc concerning the creation of a County as an SCA
entity. Baron (Boyarin?) Kasimir also brought this up for consideration
on this list not too long ago and I thought I'd provide more information
since there has been some discussion of City States and Duchies. It
might be something to look into.

Of course one of the larger problems would be titular, in that there
already exist the titles of Count/ess and Duke/Duchess in a separate
context from landed nobility. Although I suppose you could still have
Counts and Countesses that are referred to as "landed", much like we
distinguish landed Barons/Baronesses from the Court granted title.
Grr... I don't have my copies of Corpora or Kingdom Law to see how that
might conflict. However we may find other titles that would still work
for the process. Anything for Senator, to Signoria, to Doge (to think of
Italianate possibilities.) Cariadoc suggests that the head of a County
can be called a Count/ess or Duke/Duchess, if already a holder of such
title, or Viceroy/Vicereine if not previously a holder of such titles.
He then allows that one who has served as Viceroy for two years be given
the title Count.
 
At any rate, the gist of Cariadoc's proposal is a cohesive grouping of
three or more groups. Other groups may petition to join after formation
with approval of the Crown and the titular leader of the County. (I
would also presume the Seneschallate would be involved.) One of the main
differences between this proposed County and that of a Principality is
that he see the head of a County as a "permanent" position, much like a
Barony is today. It would also appear that County officer positions
would be left as an option, but not as a requirement.

So, the question is if we were interested in creating some other entity
than a Principality, in what ways would it differ from the current
structures available? Any thoughts?

Honos Servio,
Lionardo Acquistapace, Bjornsborg
mka Lenny Zimmermann, San Antonio
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