SR - Re: ANST - On-line Ansteorra : Comments and rebuttal...
Lorraine and/or Kief
deer_kief at hotmail.com
Tue Apr 27 00:08:13 PDT 1999
Heilsa Lionardo Acquistapace...and all Ansteorrans Good and True...
You wrote these words:
>I would concur that his business plan for this project is
>sound and well reasoned. I fully support our going through with this
Excellent...then why are you trying to sabotage donations...?!
>I do have one concern, however, that is not for Pug, but for each of
>gentle readers. As Pug mentioned a hat was passed at the Red Tape
>where this proposal was first brought to light. $300 dollars was
>the pockets of those present, with a few notable exceptions. It's the
>exception I want to talk about. Some of us did not contribute
>have already contributed for just this purpose. I contribute every
>attend a Kingdom level event (at least 30% of the profit from those
>goes to the Kingdom) and Gulf Wars. I have contributed through the
>various and sundry "fund-raisers", all without really looking
closely at our
>fair Kingdom's finances. Let me tell you, friends, our finances
appear to be
>quite healthy, despite recent problems in ensuring we have funds
Yep...our finances appear quite healthy.......... However, I will
take issue with Lord Lionardo's reasoning... We all "contribute" to
the Kingdom coffers with our participation and, some of us, through
various fund-raisers.... So what? The "fund-raisers" are used for
specific funding... Each one for special needs...so...those funds are
effectively not in the Kingdom's "General coffers"... The, "at least
30%" of the gate at Kingdom events goes to various projects and
needed improvments in the Kingdom. To wit:
Printing of Special Editions of the Black Star - "A&S Issue"
Printing of the O.P....of the Marshalate Rules...of the other various
As well, the Crown's pittance of a travel fund....
Lionardo your "contribution" is also money taken away from the local
group's general coffers for the good of the Kingdom... As such it is
not a "contribution" at all but just part of the site fee....
You are whining......
>We could have paid for this directly from Kingdom funds, and the vast
>majority present at the Red Tape event seemed quite happy to agree
>a decision, had it been made. Instead a few swayed the process over
>donation stating reasons such as "I don't use a computer," or"I'm
>Kingdom Officer, so how would Ansteorra.Org benefit me at all? I
>my Kingdom to spend funds on that which I would not use!" To this I
>do not use the thrones, or the pillows for our crown, yet we agree
>worthwhile to purchase these things, if only for ambiance. Yet we
>more tangible results in having a place for new members to contact
>find out more about our fair Kingdom through this means alone. The
>of information on the mailing lists from this server is simply
>and those who are not on this medium benefit greatly because they
>friends and teachers who use it to garner more knowledge to share
You state that, "a few swayed the process over to donation stating
reasons such as "I don't use a computer," or"I'm not a Kingdom
Officer, so how would Ansteorra.Org benefit me at all? I don't want
my Kingdom to spend funds on that which I would not use!"...".
Poppycock...the consensus was such that donations would be used in
conjunction with Kingdom funding for the project. And, if perchance
the Kingdom rejected the project, the funds collected would be placed
into the Kingdom general coffers. The good folk that donated money to
the project did so out of a sense of love for Ansteorra...not a sense
of guilt over those few that would not benefit from the project. Your
argument could be used to deny funding for Equestrian
activities ...'cause I don't ride a horse...don't use any of MY Money
to fund it........
Many of the objects that you mentioned in the preceeding paragraph as
purchases were, in fact, donated to the Kingdom by folks that care
about the Kingdom...just like the monetary donations that were freely
given at the RT event for the computer project.
>It is also said that we would not wish to affect the finances now
>still have much to pay for on ATYC (Ansteorra's Thirtieth Year
>including over $1,000 on site tokens alone! $1,000 spent on that
>allow us to further our education and knowledge and membership seems
>to be far better spent than on a dangly I might wear for a couple of
>and benefits no-one who is not attending the event. (I do not
>not having a token would in any way affect our ability to make a
>ATYC, thank you very much.) Yes, we should wait to see that we will
>making a comfortable profit on ATYC such as the use of $2,000 would
>cause us a burden, but is waiting for an extra month before deciding
>such a purchase such an ordeal? None of those involved seem to mind
>to get this system up and running.
You obviously think that $1,000 is a lot of money..... given the fact
that there will be over 1,000 people at Ansteorra' _Twentieth_ Year
Celebration that works out to be less than a buck per attendee...
As well, the specific funds in the Kingdom coffers are not all
available for use... Well over half the funds are dedicated money set
aside for specific offices and projects...
I personally would not mind seeing the computer project funded
totally by donations from the populace and using not one penny of
Kingdom funding for the purchase... Given the fact that there are
many involved with the project that have been and will be donating
time, energy, and their own money can we as the good subjects of the
Crown of Ansteorra do less...?
>Why burden the populace with yet another unneeded fund raiser? Why
>Kingdom funds after ATYC. Isn't this project exactly the kind of
>Kingdom funds should be used for? I say we should let our voices be
>and write our Kingdom Seneschal with our thoughts on this subject,
>for or against using Kingdom funds.
You got it...! My voice is being heard... Loud and clear. I have not
yet seen an "un-needed fund raiser". Yours is a specious argument. If
YOU do not want to contribute actual funding to the project YOU don't
have to. Certainly this project is what Kingdom funds are designed
for... Yet, why not let those folks that want to donate to the
project have the joy of doing so...? If we can save the Kingdom money
on this and come out of it with an enhanced electronic presence on
the Web, great...! Besides...this donated money enables the Kingdom
to do two "enhancement" projects instead of one... If indeed the
computer project is paid for by donations alone...why, then we, as a
Kingdom, can fund a new educational or PR project that will bring in
even more new members........
>With great sincerity,
>(Lionardo Acquistapace, Bjornsborg)
Waes Thu Hael kinfolk...
"Better the Hammer than the nail..."
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