[Steppes] More info from afar.....

[Carol Ross]

 Yes, that was a suicide. It was the last words he wrote before doing
what he did. Yes, this is a morally charged issue. It is one because of
the untold numbers on the lists that are depressed and thinking of doing
the same thing. It is one because of the untold numbers that are below
the age of 18 and are on the lists being expossed to a suicide note. And
even more so because of those that are underage and depressed and
considering the same actions. This action is not to be glorified to
those people and that is exactly what has happened. Anyone that lived in
Dallas in 1985 will remember the string of suicides that were committed
at Plano High School. Why were there a number of them (5 total I
believe) because one did it and the others saw it as a means to an
end....not a means to help. In addition, passing around someones last
words is not a sign of respect to those that were either his family or
his friends.

And with all of that said I now ask for the list admin to either block
this thread from this list or to put the list on moderated. This topic
has no buisiness on this list.

Mistress Genevieve


-----Original Message-----
From: 'bella [mailto:smprice1 at bellatlantic.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 1:05 AM
To: steppes at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Steppes] More info from afar.....


morally charged... interesting way to put it...

I saw the note... I guess depending on how one looks at life
one will garner different feelings about it.

I have spent a lot of the last 15 of my 22 yrs in nursing
with the terminally ill.  I have seen and been a part of
things that some would call morally charged.

One thing that has bothered me, and i have repeatedly sought
to understand is how a culture, that has a predominant
religion that teaches us that the 'afterlife' is better than
we have on this plane, then clings to this plane of
existance with the tenacity of a newborn pup that clings to
its mother for all its life.

Some saw that letter as a 'suicide note' and others as a
plea for help.. I wonder how many, like me saw it as a plea
from beyond for us to understand and not mourn.

NO matter how you view it, the fact is he is in a place
where he no longer is ill, or unhappy.. that is something to
rejoice
in.

the christian bible says,
''to everything there is a season, a time and a purpose
under heaven, a time to be born and a time to die, a time to
mourn and a time to rejoice..."

The simple fact was, he is gone, whatever the manner of his
death,  he chose the time and manner of his passing...
how many of us, will do the same in the future.. more than
many of you will be comfortable knowing about I can safely
bet.

In Hospice, one learns that death is a natural part of
life... we are all dying.. the manner we die is sometimes
not up to us.. and at other times it is.  We can rationalize
a terminally ill person stopping treatment and 'giving up'
because they are
'terminally ill'  - How many reading this knows someone who
did this? suicide.... just not as noticable...

Before anyone judges another... walk a mile in thier
moccasins and be damn sure that glass house you live in has
bulletproof
glass...  One day it just might be you making a life and
death decision for another...or yourself.

Aine verch Donnal, silver
Burning Thunder


Apparently, not everyone on this list has recieved a copy of
his parting
> words... i.e. suicide note. My wife did, but I did not,
and we are on a lot
> of overlapping lists. She(we) were appalled to have the
suicide note of
> someone we did not know in our mailbox. I am truly
sorrowed at any loss of
> life, but to post to an open list a message of this
content, on a morally
> charged issue, is in my opinion inappropriate.
>
> Duncan
>
>