[Steppes] More info from afar.....

['bella]

My Lady..  Duke Andrew himself posted his own words
publically on several Kingdom lists and privately to a great
many of his freinds.  I guess you and some did not know
that.

Yes, depression is something one should get help for..
but please remember.. there ARE times when one has no right
to intervene.

I am the widow of a morbid alcoholic.... been, there, done
that, detest Al-Anon and AA only has a 18 20% sucess rate...
as the prayer says...  change what you can, that which you
cannot sit back and let it happen, and hope to god you know
the difference, can see and recognize and NOT agonize.

If someone you know IS depressed, try to steer them to
help... but please, please.. try to understand.. some people
are going to do this deed no matter how much help they get.
That does not say that you still don't try to get them help,
but understand..we are not our brothers keepers.  {{smiles}}

OF the 6 kingdom lists I am on, Ansteorra is the ONLY list
to show such callous behavior and disrespect to one who with
his last words left us with a plea to understand, forgive
and not mourn.

Of the other 5 lists, 4, let his passing be noted, then got
on with the usual chatter.  Trimaris, my fair land, my
homeland.. had a very long discussion about depression and
many of us told of those who helped us... trimarians ..well,
lol.. are trimarians..
gotta love em,

annie, trimarian in exile up here in AEthel... icky poo.. it
is _still_ cold..
anyone want to be my bedwarmer at War Practice this
weekend????/ )giggles)




----- Original Message -----
From: "Carol Ross" <gdc at stormypetrel.org>
To: <steppes at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:55 AM
Subject: RE: [Steppes] More info from afar.....


> Yes, that was a suicide. It was the last words he wrote
before doing
> what he did. Yes, this is a morally charged issue. It is
one because of
> the untold numbers on the lists that are depressed and
thinking of doing
> the same thing. It is one because of the untold numbers
that are below
> the age of 18 and are on the lists being expossed to a
suicide note. And
> even more so because of those that are underage and
depressed and
> considering the same actions. This action is not to be
glorified to
> those people and that is exactly what has happened. Anyone
that lived in
> Dallas in 1985 will remember the string of suicides that
were committed
> at Plano High School. Why were there a number of them (5
total I
> believe) because one did it and the others saw it as a
means to an
> end....not a means to help. In addition, passing around
someones last
> words is not a sign of respect to those that were either
his family or
> his friends.
>
> And with all of that said I now ask for the list admin to
either block
> this thread from this list or to put the list on
moderated. This topic
> has no buisiness on this list.
>
> Mistress Genevieve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 'bella [mailto:smprice1 at bellatlantic.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 1:05 AM
> To: steppes at ansteorra.org
> Subject: Re: [Steppes] More info from afar.....
>
>
> morally charged... interesting way to put it...
>
> I saw the note... I guess depending on how one looks at
life
> one will garner different feelings about it.
>
> I have spent a lot of the last 15 of my 22 yrs in nursing
> with the terminally ill.  I have seen and been a part of
> things that some would call morally charged.
>
> One thing that has bothered me, and i have repeatedly
sought
> to understand is how a culture, that has a predominant
> religion that teaches us that the 'afterlife' is better
than
> we have on this plane, then clings to this plane of
> existance with the tenacity of a newborn pup that clings
to
> its mother for all its life.
>
> Some saw that letter as a 'suicide note' and others as a
> plea for help.. I wonder how many, like me saw it as a
plea
> from beyond for us to understand and not mourn.
>
> NO matter how you view it, the fact is he is in a place
> where he no longer is ill, or unhappy.. that is something
to
> rejoice
> in.
>
> the christian bible says,
> ''to everything there is a season, a time and a purpose
> under heaven, a time to be born and a time to die, a time
to
> mourn and a time to rejoice..."
>
> The simple fact was, he is gone, whatever the manner of
his
> death,  he chose the time and manner of his passing...
> how many of us, will do the same in the future.. more than
> many of you will be comfortable knowing about I can safely
> bet.
>
> In Hospice, one learns that death is a natural part of
> life... we are all dying.. the manner we die is sometimes
> not up to us.. and at other times it is.  We can
rationalize
> a terminally ill person stopping treatment and 'giving up'
> because they are
> 'terminally ill'  - How many reading this knows someone
who
> did this? suicide.... just not as noticable...
>
> Before anyone judges another... walk a mile in thier
> moccasins and be damn sure that glass house you live in
has
> bulletproof
> glass...  One day it just might be you making a life and
> death decision for another...or yourself.
>
> Aine verch Donnal, silver
> Burning Thunder
>
>
> Apparently, not everyone on this list has recieved a copy
of
> his parting
> > words... i.e. suicide note. My wife did, but I did not,
> and we are on a lot
> > of overlapping lists. She(we) were appalled to have the
> suicide note of
> > someone we did not know in our mailbox. I am truly
> sorrowed at any loss of
> > life, but to post to an open list a message of this
> content, on a morally
> > charged issue, is in my opinion inappropriate.
> >
> > Duncan
> >
> >
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