[Steppes] More info from afar.....

[Wayne Ross]

Thank you for sharing your life experience. It does shed light on your
perspectives. However, I am not trying to debate the right or wrongness
of suicide, or the afterlife, or anything except the fact that I thought
that to send such a message to an open list is wrong. Some people are
offended at the concept of suicide, just as some people are offended by
pornography. I don't think either should just be spammed into the
mailboxes of thousands of list subscribers, only because I respect the
right of the individual not to have to see it. It has nothing to do with
my own beliefs, because I think that my feelings about suicide or
pornography or anything else are my business, and I will not push them
on anyone else.

Please, drop this thread. Please, out of respect to the subscribers of
this list, be a little more thoughtful to others when you consider
posting something that might cause harm, distress, or offense. Please do
not attack someone when they express outrage when such a post occurs.

Don Duncan

-----Original Message-----
From: 'bella [mailto:smprice1 at bellatlantic.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 1:05 AM
To: steppes at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Steppes] More info from afar.....


morally charged... interesting way to put it...

I saw the note... I guess depending on how one looks at life
one will garner different feelings about it.

I have spent a lot of the last 15 of my 22 yrs in nursing
with the terminally ill.  I have seen and been a part of
things that some would call morally charged.

One thing that has bothered me, and i have repeatedly sought
to understand is how a culture, that has a predominant
religion that teaches us that the 'afterlife' is better than
we have on this plane, then clings to this plane of
existance with the tenacity of a newborn pup that clings to
its mother for all its life.

Some saw that letter as a 'suicide note' and others as a
plea for help.. I wonder how many, like me saw it as a plea
from beyond for us to understand and not mourn.

NO matter how you view it, the fact is he is in a place
where he no longer is ill, or unhappy.. that is something to
rejoice
in.

the christian bible says,
''to everything there is a season, a time and a purpose
under heaven, a time to be born and a time to die, a time to
mourn and a time to rejoice..."

The simple fact was, he is gone, whatever the manner of his
death,  he chose the time and manner of his passing...
how many of us, will do the same in the future.. more than
many of you will be comfortable knowing about I can safely
bet.

In Hospice, one learns that death is a natural part of
life... we are all dying.. the manner we die is sometimes
not up to us.. and at other times it is.  We can rationalize
a terminally ill person stopping treatment and 'giving up'
because they are
'terminally ill'  - How many reading this knows someone who
did this? suicide.... just not as noticable...

Before anyone judges another... walk a mile in thier
moccasins and be damn sure that glass house you live in has
bulletproof
glass...  One day it just might be you making a life and
death decision for another...or yourself.

Aine verch Donnal, silver
Burning Thunder


Apparently, not everyone on this list has recieved a copy of
his parting
> words... i.e. suicide note. My wife did, but I did not,
and we are on a lot
> of overlapping lists. She(we) were appalled to have the
suicide note of
> someone we did not know in our mailbox. I am truly
sorrowed at any loss of
> life, but to post to an open list a message of this
content, on a morally
> charged issue, is in my opinion inappropriate.
>
> Duncan
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Annette Brauer" <mabrauer at hotmail.com>
> To: <steppes at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 12:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Steppes] More info from afar.....
>
>
> > Before this goes downhill any further, let's stop the
persoanl attacks.
> >
> > In defense of Chiara. In the announcements of his
passing it did not say
> > that he suffered from a lenghty illness or any of his
accomplishments,
> only
> > that he died of his own accord.
> >
> > Not only did this gentleman do wonderful things for the
Middle Kingdom,
> but
> > also for Ansteorra and the entire Known World.
> >
> > <snip>
> > Resume':
> > Created the "Authorization" process
> > Second Marshall of the SCA
> > Created the office of Chirurgeon
> > Authorized the Kingdom of Ansteorra to develop
> > fencing in the SCA
> >
> > In Service
> >
> > Ldy Mary Elizabeth
> >
> >
> >
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