[Steppes] Re: Plea for the SCA

[portofun]

I also was given the email commentary on my name and device.  It was given
as 'feedback' so I could fix the issues preventing my device and name from
passing.  I found the commentary to be immature in tone and quite
unprofessional.  It lowered the college's credibility as an institution in
my eyes.  I had worked with the local herald before I made my submission.  I
did not pick a sci-fi name or put the Enterprise on my shield.  The
modifications required for them to pass were actually quite minimal.  The
comments were not constructive only rude.  It is interesting how
condescending people can be when they don't have to do it face-to-face.

Now this was a few years ago so my experience may be an extreme one.

Conal, Regina

Chris Baran writes:

> Howdy!
>
> I also have to disagree with Timothy on this.  When I was submitting my
> name
> and device I was sent a letter with a copy of all comments.  I don't know
> if
> it was intentional or not but they had also stuck in a copy of an e-mail
> with many personal exchanges that was extremely derogatory of a) my device
> and b) my name.  Strange, I never knew I submitted my things to be part of
> a
> personal critique.  Oddly enough the comments in the email were also
> erroneous since I had the documentation to back both my device and name
> up.
>
> Point here is, I know people can get tired of poor submissions or shoddy
> work but that is no reason to be rude to people.  You never know who is
> going to see your "handiwork".
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: "chiara" <chiara at io.com>
>> Reply-To: steppes at ansteorra.org
>> To: <steppes at ansteorra.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Steppes] Plea for the SCA
>> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:16:54 -0500
>>
>> I have to disagree Timothy.
>>
>> It does not take a genius to put words down in such a manner so that it
>> is
>> not insulting. I doubt that what she is quoting was ever intended for the
>> maker to read. In fact when I was in the college it was NEVER intended
>> for
>> the maker to read, that was in the 80's. I remember asking if they did
>> and
>> I
>> was told that unless they subscribed to the publication, no they would
>> never
>> read this nor ever care enough to read it. There is a false comfort level
>> that has been there for years to comment without fear of retribution.
>>
>> Chiara
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Timothy Rayburn" <timothy at elfsea.net>
>> To: <steppes at ansteorra.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 5:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Steppes] Plea for the SCA
>>
>>
>> : >  I was looking online for some info on Heraldry when I stumbled
>> across
>> some
>> : >old issues of the gazette and Ansteorran LOI online. I decided to
>> check
>> it
>> : >out, being curious.
>> :
>> : Quite natural thing to do.
>> :
>> : > To my horror when I started reading, it was full of
>> : >insults and snide remarks, "Is this an axe or an oversize toothbrush",
>> "The
>> : >blazon calls this a falcon but it looks more like an obese
>> pigeon",remarks
>> : >in that vein.
>> :
>> : It is true that often these remarks are less than tactfully put.  And
>> while I appreciate your comments after this regarding people who are new
>> that might stumble along these comments, the College must be able to
>> comment.  They must be able to express their thoughts on a device without
>> concern for the feelings of the individuals involved.  Many people would
>> be
>> just as upset with "The primary charge, which according to the blazon is
>> a
>> Falcon, is unrecognizable as such, lacking the characteristics of a bird
>> of
>> prey, we suggest return for redraw." as they would the quotes above.
>> :
>> : The commentary process at the College of Arms (Society Level) is kept
>> private for just the reasons we are facing here, that a submitter may get
>> upset.  But the Kingdoms who do internal commentary generally do not keep
>> it
>> secret because if they did, they would never train up new commenters.
>> :
>> : I would encourage tact in all communications, but I also suggest that
>> sometimes comments like this will happen because it is a training tool.
>> Also, I would note that commentary has gotten much better over the last
>> decade, there were times it was much more brazen.
>> :
>> : Timothy of Glastinbury
>> : Central Regional Herald, titled Eclipse Herald
>> :
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