[Steppes] Mailing list status

Thu Apr 14 19:21:15 PDT 2005

You put that all so nicely, and I will make sure to get that gentleman from 
An Tir in touch with you.
I always enjoy reading another persons opinon especially when it is so well 
expressed and written, it always really makes a person think about where 
their views came from and why :)

Oh to be only on a couple lists, sometimes tho, multiples can't be avoided, 
we cross post laurel to pelican list all the time because many of us are 
both, and with things like shared baronial practices, cross posting has to 
happen too.

For someone like me, who has household and apprentices and proteges and 
husband's squires all doing 10 directions, multi lists are a fact of life.  
After all they created all this for ease of communication yes? (laugh)  
Before email we did all this by phone, letters and news letters, and local 
meetings were probably busier because you couldnt read the meeting notes 
online.

I know that one of the things I enjoy about our local list is it gives me a 
chance to see how people interact with others in the community as well as 
officers, so when their name comes across in the avenues I get consulted on 
as a  peer, I can have an idea of how much they put forth for the local 
community, and the cool stuff they are doing, even if I havent been able to 
always attend.    Especially since we travel hundreds of miles sometimes for 
gatherings, it is nice to be able to see what ways our local area is 
contributing to our recreation of the current middle ages.  So I try to 
focus on all the positives of the vast email pile that wanders daily though 
my inbox.  It is also very cool to be able to say to a friend laurel/pelican 
hey, I saw your apprentice/protege doing all this neat stuff for say 
newcomers, stuff you might not normally see except for a local list.  So 
even though it can be tedious, it is a great and wonderful tool to learn 
about the people involved in the list.

it is also really cool to be able to say to a newcomer, hey I saw Lord XXX 
talking about an advanced archery practice, or Lady XXX talking about a 
beginners hand sewing class on the Baronial list and help hook them up.

This is the stuff that even tho doesn't apply to most of us all the time, 
catches our eyes and helps us to help another member of the sca.

So while some may be saying hooray less mail, to me I wonder how many others 
have to stop, back up, cut and paste or don't notice at all.

I have noticed on a side note, that over the last 3 weeks a ton of new 
elists have sprung up from the steppes area, I got emailed and invited to 
several specific target discussion groups that would normally be posted 
across our baronial list.  So I am sure that will cut traffic some as well.  
The bad side of it is once again, the whole community will miss that 
information or chance to get to know each others views.

For my part, I read really fast, so when it gets really massive in the "me 
toos" at least it doesn't bog me down too long, if you have a slow isp and 
slow load on the emails tho, it would really be terrible :(

hugs.

Larissa

>From: "Susan Hill" <sueorintx at hotmail.com>
>To: steppes at ansteorra.org
>Subject: Re: [Steppes] Mailing list status
>Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:35:00 -0500
>
>I would love to be able to delete all of the things that don't on the 
>surface appear to be important, but unfortunately, I have occasionally 
>found some real gems that I needed or was glad to know about in posts that 
>retained subject lines that probably should have been changed, so I skim 
>though everything. I am grateful for the decrease in the number of posts 
>and have learned how to do my posting without sending things where I don't 
>want them to go after a few glitches right after the change.
>
>As far as people not getting information that they should such as when or 
>where....well theSteppes webpage still has email addresses, phone numbers, 
>and other contact information about officers, guilds, meeting places times, 
>etc. Perhaps we should be encouraging people to use that information more 
>often so that the information goes directly where it should go rather than 
>cluttering up the list. I seem to recall getting several emails relayed 
>from folks who were on their way to Gulf passing on info about speed traps. 
>When all of the lists get pasted with this stuff, I know I get some of the 
>same thing at least three or four times because of the multiple lists I am 
>on. As far as the archer is concerned, if he had been directed to the 
>website, he would have been able to email or call me and I would have been 
>more than happy to direct him to practice. Being originally from An Tir 
>myself, I would have loved to chat with him, as well.
>
>I will agree that just hitting reply is nice for all those lists you 
>mentioned other than the fact that again, it means that one person can 
>sometimes get the same email three, four, five, or more times. I would 
>rather that people not just blindly send to everyone, but make certain that 
>their messages are more specific to the list they are sent on. That is why 
>there are so many different lists, so that we all don't have to get the 
>same stuff all the time. There are really very few things that need to be 
>sent to every list.
>
>Personally, I think that everyone should be subscribed to the Ansteorra 
>list and their local list and that's it. Information that doesn't need to 
>go to everyone should be kept to the special interest lists, just as local 
>stuff should be kept on the local list and me too's should be gone 
>completely.
>
>Lyneya de Grey
>Archery Marshal
>Barony of the Steppes
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: Catherine Sims <arianne_steppes at yahoo.com>
>>To: steppes at ansteorra.org
>>Subject: Re: [Steppes] Mailing list status
>>Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:03:52 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>I appreciate the examples cited, and agree that they were problems.  That 
>>said,
>>I was extremely tired of reading 10-15 "me too" posts and other things 
>>that
>>should have gone privately rather than to the list.  I have a limited 
>>amount of
>>time to read e-mail, and I appreciate that list traffic is down 
>>significantly.
>>I used to spend quite a bit of time reading the first few posts in a 
>>thread,
>>and then having to delete things that should have gone privately.  I am on
>>several other, non-SCA related, lists and most of them work the way the 
>>Steppes
>>list does currently.  When that change was made to the Socknitters' list, 
>>for
>>example, traffic dropped from about 50 messages a day down to about 20.  
>>Much
>>more manageable for those of us with limited time.
>>
>>Just a "responsible" opposing viewpoint.
>>
>>Arianne/Cathy
>>
>>--- Trish Kvamme <ladyoftherose at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Love to give you some examples
>> >
>> > 1.  A gentleman was on his way to Gulf war, he was out earlier than 
>>most,
>> > saw alot of traffic cops setting up for speeders.  He emailed this
>> > information via  his phone, but sadly, it was the silly reply thing and 
>>went
>> > to one individual, that individual didnt know it was not a solo 
>>message,
>> > thus no one got the email.
>> >
>> > 2.  A new archer moved here from An Tir and wanted to get directions to
>> > practice and to get in personal touch with the community, once again, 
>>reply
>> > all wasn't a normal list option, and his information was lost.  Luckily 
>>he
>> > met Michael Fray later on and found the community.
>> >
>> > 3.  I posted for a public workshop some time back for sewing, a 
>>newcomer
>> > didnt get past the "guess what" and 6 weeks later she met me at fighter
>> > practice.
>> >
>> > These are just a few of the examples of the tons I have.  I have sat in
>> > large groups of very annoyed people discussing the same types of 
>>things.
>> >
>> > The list is to exist to help and serve the members of the barony.  It 
>>is
>> > currently like a wagon with a square wheel, useable but not as fast or
>> > functional as it could be.
>> >
>> > The rest of the Ansteorran lists are all just hit reply and talk away, 
>>I am
>> > on a good many of them.  Since we are pretty much an adult community on 
>>the
>> > lists, with a few very mature teens, I think we can handle an 
>>occaisional
>> > oops.
>> >
>> > I for one find it a pain in the butt to have to use special commands 
>>for one
>> > list, it would be a courtesy to those who find it annoying to please 
>>let us
>> > police ourselves and be able to reply to a mesasge without being about 
>>to
>> > hit enter and saying bleh, cutting and pasteing our letter to the 
>>Barony and
>> > back tabbing to re-hit reply all.
>> >
>> > It is about communication, the list that is.  Simple, easy, effective
>> > communication for all, and this is just plain annoying :)
>> >
>> > ie: 1 squre wheel.
>> >
>> > Larissa
>> ><snip>
>>
>>"Remember, no one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
>>- Eleanor Roosevelt
>>
>>
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