[Youth-combat] RE: [Elfsea] RE: [Steppes] Fwd:[Ansteorra]YouthfulCombata...

[Trish Kvamme]

The Youth comabt inclusion for 16 and 17 year olds is a relatively old 
discussion, believe it or not, we are one of very few Kingdoms that do not 
include them.

As far as all the Youth authorizing classes and vise versa work, I am not 
sure how that will still come into phase, because it would require the 
entire battle field to have taken the classes, which wont be the case.  Most 
likely my guess is that they will completely phase this out for those 16 and 
17 year olds wishing to fight with the adult fighters, and make it a 
seperate agency if there are kids who wish to fight in a seperate catagory, 
which there probably will be.

I can't imagine anyone undermining a parents choice, especially in this case 
where the parent is required to be present at the event for the child to 
take place in it, the kid would have to work very hard at casting a web of 
confusion over the marshalls and onlookers.

I am sad to hear that there are people who don't feel their voices were 
heard on this issue.  I know that many crowns before my reign and after have 
discussed this issue.  I know that it was arrived at after alot of 
forethought and research.  His Majesty didn't speak with me regarding his 
choice, although I am certain he knows my opinion.  In the end, the Crown 
always does what their heart tells them is the best choice, and I know first 
hand that not everyone will always agree with that choice.

I think that it would be wonderful if perhaps you approached the Kingdom 
Chronichler about doing some articals for the Black Star to share all the 
knowledge you and the other youth martials and enducators have gleaned from 
the experiences you have had.  Duncan took Timo's classes when they were 
offered during his term as the Youth Combat lead several years back, and I 
think so did a goodly number of other fighters from this region.

We are not going to have an outpouring of teens jumping in armour, and I 
know that those teens who choose not to fight, or who's parents are not 
comfortible with them on the field with adults, will respect both their 
parents decision and the feelings of their peer group.   After all, the main 
thing we teach in the society is the basis of franchise and courtesy.

I am so very glad we have such active and caring people in this group, 
because only through diverse ideas and opinions does our community gain 
wisdom and grow.

Larissa

>From: DonnelShaw at aol.com
>To: ladyoftherose at hotmail.com, steppes at ansteorra.org
>CC: lemonslee at prodigy.net
>Subject: Re: [Youth-combat] RE: [Elfsea] RE: [Steppes] 
>Fwd:[Ansteorra]YouthfulCombata...
>Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:23:31 EST
>
>Your Grace,
>The reason we are talking about it is a week before 12th night His Grace
>Patrick Michael asked for imput about this purposed change. In fact the 
>deadline
>has passed and the comment time has closed. The new program is to be read
>into  law this coming weekend to my understanding; but as King, His Majesty 
>Drake
>can  change his mind. It is all up to him to decide.
>When this new program first came up many fighters were for the change but
>the majority I knew about were not parents or in the Youth Combat 
>Community.
>Since we are dealing with children I felt it was vital that parents and 
>youth
>marshals be given a chance to voice their opinion. It was agreed upon and 
>thus
>we had our KM's requests for comments.
>
>Being that I live on the boarder of Elfsea and Steppes I fwd. the email to
>this list and Elfsea.  I have authorized most if not all of the marshall's  
>and
>combatants in this area and have run the lists for the last 3-4 years.  I
>wanted the parents of the children to have an opportunity to speak.
>
>I do know that there are those here that have voice their concern and feel
>like they are not being listened to. I want to make sure that there opinion 
>is
>respected as much as I respect yours the other perspective.
>
>Both Linet and Jon have listened to me give the authorization class more
>than once in the last year; even if they have never been authorized. They 
>have
>helped me with my son and their Excelancy's son. They have listened to  my
>husband and I talk with our son. They have seen me as DEM, Teacher  and 
>Mom. They
>may not be in the middle of the mud puddle but their shoes  have mud on 
>them.
>I respect and value both of their opinion.
>
>I thank you for the offer to help if I ever see an instance  where a child
>might get hurt. But be assured that when it comes to the  safety of a child 
>I
>will jump in with both feet. I would encourage you to as  well.
>
>Now all we can do is wait and see if it will or will not be signed into law
>next weekend. I am pretty sure it will. If it is we need to work to make 
>sure
>that the children are taken care of and supported.
>
>I would like to caution that we make sure that any child understand that we
>support what his or her parents decides. We do not want to undermine the
>parents  choice. It would be an easy mistake.
>
>
>In Service to  the Children
>In remembering our past we must look to our future.
>Lady  Maili Donnel MacGregor
>Deputy Earl Marshal - Youth Combat
>_Youth Combat of Ansteorra_ (http://youthcombat.ansteorra.org/)
>
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