[Steppes] Fencing Practice Canceled due to not actually beinginsane....Clarification

[Mike]

Answer is still No.

The heavy fighters will be listen to - others who do not attend nor 
support the heavy fighters will not be!

Period!


YIS,

Michael Kettering
Steppes KM


Susan McMahill wrote:

>I am not saying to not fight in the heat, though personally I think that you guys are out of your minds. I do think that you should not be fighting in red air quality days, though. There are enough studies out there that indicate that heavy exertion under such circumstances is not just potentially harmful, it is dangerous. I am concerned about liability holding practices when there are clear warnings that the air quality is harmful, not just for persons with health issues, but for everyone. While there is nothing anywhere that says that a person has to participate in practices, it is very possible that someone could take legal action against the Barony and the SCA if someone were to get ill or die from practicing in conditions that are deemed dangerous...a red air quality day is clearly publicized as such a condition.
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>As far as the heat issue...Well, there are several school districts and institutions that are dealing with legal issues about practice in the heat. They have legal departments and financial backing that our Barony and we as marshals and individuals do not. Whether you have done so in the past does not make it safe or prudent. As a former EMT and nurse, I take safety of all kinds very seriously. I threatened to cancel archery at an event once if the Archers were not given a shade pavilion and I will do so again if necessary.
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>There are dozens if not hundreds of cases of heat stroke or other heat related illness on the books where people are supposed to listen to their bodies and either don't, won't, or can't tell when they are in trouble. I know of a case at an event last fall where a man who has and still has no business being in armor due to health issues and medication got into trouble. I saw him in armor about a month ago at another event...again too hot. There comes a point when it is the marshal's responsiblity to say that conditions are not safe. 
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>>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:38:53 -0500> From: meggiddo at netzero.net> To: steppes at ansteorra.org> Subject: Re: [Steppes] Fencing Practice Canceled due to not actually beinginsane....Clarification> > No.> > This is Texas - which means there is more hot weather than there is > ideal weather or cold weather. The ideal fighting weather for both heavy > and I dare say for light, is approximately 60 degrees. Even that could > get a little warm wearing all of the cloth, leather, metal, etc...> > I and others in the heavy fighting community have been out on Sunday > afternoons when the temperature has reached 104 to 115 degrees. All it > means is that there are more breaks and longer rest periods in between > each individual contest. We have even been out there conducting > Melee/War practices even in August prior to Gothic Wars. Once again, it > means that everyone who comes out recognize that it is going to be hot > and plan according.> > The purpose of practice is hone one's skill in the ability to fight > against one's opponents, one such opponent is the weather itself. Just > as someone who increases their ability to swing their sword, placement > of their feet and of their shield and to make it all appear as one > single action. There is also a more important aspect that is recognizing > what your body is actually telling you about itself. And listen to it.> > Those who wish to only come out and practice when the weather ideal - > will be waiting a extremely long time. And when they do come and face > off against those who have come out will find that those individuals who > have made a habit of practicing well...they will get smoked!> > Or if those who want the perfect weather and wait for it, then when they > finally decide to attend an event, then there will be a good chance they > will be the ones who have to leave the field before anyone else. Or in > some cases, have to be help from the field, for the simple fact they did > not prepared themselves for the rigors of combat and the weather that > arrives to herald the event in and over the course of the duration of > that event.> > There is a real need to listen to what your body is attempting to tell > you and more importantly to response in a positive way, and that is take > more breaks and longer as well during hot weather. And hot weather here > Texas will run from about April right through end of September or even > October (depends that year weather patterns).> > Gothic Wars is that end of August through the 1st 3 days of September - > the chances are that it will be hot out there, just like it is here. > Need to prepare yourself now.> > > This means the following:> Drank plenty of water prior to attending either an event or a practice> If coming out to a practice, heavy practice on Sunday - starting on > Thursday to get one's body hydrated.> Bring a minimum of gallon of water, plus other liquids, such as > gatorade, etc...> Energy snacks> And of course, there will be additional shade to aid the shade trees > that are already there.> > YIS,> LD Michael Kettering> Steppes KM> > Susan McMahill wrote:> > >I know that for archery, we try to post an update via email about 2 hours before practice or at 8 a.m. It usually works for most people. I would suggest that method or else get the phone number of the holder of the practice and check. Adelina posted the phone numbers for both herself and Don Ingve and they are listed at the bottom of this email. Between the heat and the air quality, I think that it should be a given that practices for any of the martial events should be called if the temps are over 95 and the air quality red. > > > >Lyneya> >> >> >> > > >> >>From: wmeriic at tx.rr.com> To: steppes at ansteorra.org> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:04:30 -0500> Subject: Re: [Steppes] Fencing Practice Canceled due to not actually beinginsane....Clarification> > I see that, I just brought a couple of new comers out there today. We gave> up around 7:15.> > I had contacted the rapier marshal Sunday about this via email. IIRC, I> think his name is Ingve. Is he around?> > And, for future reference, since I just arrived in the Stellar kingdom, what> is the best way of finding out about a cancellation of practice?> > Will Meriic > > -----Original Message-----> From: steppes-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org> [mailto:steppes-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Michael & Crystal> Lemming> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 7:02 PM> To: steppes at lists.ansteorra.org> Subject: Re: [Steppes] Fencing Practice Canceled due to not actually> beinginsane....Clarification> > It is too hot to fight today. Practice should resume next week.> > Conal> > -----Original Message-----> From: steppes-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org> [mailto:steppes-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Smith> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 5:02 PM> To: steppes at lists.ansteorra.org> Subject: [Steppes] Fencing Practice Canceled due to not actually> beinginsane....> > > BUT! We are going to go ahead and get together and hang out at a undisclosed> (cuase we haven't made up our minds) location. If you want to join the> "party" give me or Ingve a call (numbers below) and we'll most certainly> have something definable as a plan soon. Yours, Adelina of the Steppes> (903-815-9615) and Don Ingve of York (214-385-3840)> _______________________________________________> Steppes mailing list> Steppes at lists.ansteorra.org> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/steppes-ansteorra.org> > _______________________________________________> Steppes mailing list> Steppes at lists.ansteorra.org> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/steppes-ansteorra.org> > _______________________________________________> Steppes mailing list> Steppes at lists.ansteorra.org> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/steppes-ansteorra.org> >> > >>> >_______________________________________________> >Steppes mailing list> >Steppes at lists.ansteorra.org> >http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/steppes-ansteorra.org> >> >> >> > > >> _______________________________________________> Steppes mailing list> Steppes at lists.ansteorra.org> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/steppes-ansteorra.org
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