A&S Competitions Was Re: Tournaments
STDDLY at TINY_TIM.SHSU.EDU
STDDLY at TINY_TIM.SHSU.EDU
Tue Mar 28 00:29:50 PST 1995
Reply to Litch to all
> > Its very difficult for the Laurels
> >(as a group or individuals) to visit every shire, canton and barony in this
> Really? To my knowledge, every Barony has at least one resident laurel, and
> many shires do. Is it really that much trouble for them to poke around, to
> find out what people are doing? To correspond with other laurels and
> mention the
> people in your are who are doing things?
Not EVERY barony or shire has a resident laurel. They are
concentrated in the large population centers of the kingdom. MANY
groups do not have immediate access to peers at all. People resent
others "poking around" in their business. Many people have peer-fear
or resentment. If you have been around any Laurels you would know
that they are always encouraging people and looking for artisans new
to them. They do bring up and discuss people in their areas and any
one else they think might be promising.
> > We can't just depend on word of mouth about people's artistic >
>talent--one needs to see it!!! >
> When was the last time you saw a laurel actually taking active measure to
> investigate people's activities rather than just sitting back and expecitng
> it to be brought to them?
Lots of the time. They do not birddog people, but they do make
efforts to learn what people are doing. If they sense someone is
uncomfortable with them or does not respond positively they, as is
human, will leave from where they percieve they are not wanted.
> > The competitions are a wonderful way to get > >the artisans
together (not just the laurels). >
> I consider them a hideous way of doing that. You force people to endure a
> highly subjective (and frequently politcal) beauty contest. They are
> usually judged by people without more than a fragmentary knowledge of your
> art. On the rare occasions when you do encounter someone who also practices
> something similar to what you do, you are placed in competion with them.
> Sharing with them is> not in your interest as it reduces your
chance to win the competition. >
A & S competitions are not manditory. This is a volunteer
organization and you cannot be forced to participate. For the most
part, most judges try to keep the political aspects out of the
competitions. I have watched Laurels and others and have myself judged
competitions. Mostly people will judge what they know and the person
in charge of the competition tries to get people who have a good base
of knowledge in each catagory. It does'nt always work that way. You
can't force people to participate as judges no matter the extent of
> > A perfect system?? Not by a long shot but its the best we have
right now. >
> So we should just sit back, shut up and accept it? Does the GOP know you've
> stolen thier platform?
You have a choice to participate or not. Competitions are not the
only way to get recognized. Donate things for prizes or to landed
nobles or the crown to give out as largess. Make stuff for newbies
or the Hospitillar box. Or personal loaner gear. You have a brain, use
> > >meadhbh >
Above all it is everybody's job to see that the efforts are awarded
or at least appreciated. There is no one way to do or get anything.
It is as individual a process as everyone in the SCA is an INDIVIDUAL.
If you don't think an individual is getting enough recognition you
and others who think it should happen should write the Crown and
recommend the action you wish to see happen. If the Crown gets enough
cards and letters they will question the Laurels about this person.
If the person is open to appoach the Laurels will usually subtly
start trying to find out more about the individual.
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