cloven fruit

Mark Harris mark_harris at
Wed Feb 5 12:54:18 PST 1997

> Yes, I believe the original poster was serious. And frankly, I believe
> that anyone treating a properly presented cloved fruit as a hand-grenade
> is being rude and obnoxious. 

no more rude and obnoxious than some the drooling cretin who use's 
what was once a harmless and fun "tradition" to force their 
attentions on those who do not desire them.  

on several occasions i've seen this tradition mis-used in the wrong 
environ ... last one was a pagan gathering those who wouldn't 
take no for an answer (in this case, a notorious SCAdian dweeb who 
had/has a reputation of being a annoying twit who constantly hit on 
anything with breasts).  in this case, (and otthers) the person 
continued to press after they were declined, whille getting 
increasingly physical, all the while hiding behind the mask of "but 
it's a harmless game". 

in this case my intercession was called by the lady being
"molested".  i had to shift in from the dark to deal with the fool
in question (all it required was a short and explicit explanation
about what was about to happen to him unless he immediately faded
away and never harassed any person under my protection in the

in my opinion, it's been misued enough that it's become "tainted", 
and a object of humor and should fade into well-deserved oblivion.

Please note: I did say "properly presented". What you describe does
not qualify as this. And behaviour such as you describe has little
to do with cloved fruit. Such behavior occurs with and without the
fruit. Just because it happens at the SCA or a pagan gathering, are
you going to condemn the activity? Then why condemn the game itself.

Just because some folks use the game as an excuse to be rude and
obnoxious by forcing themselves on others doesn't excuse others
to be rude and obnoxious by hurling the fruit away. If you don't
want to play the game, you can give the fruit back and tell them
that you don't play this game. Hurling the fruit away interferes
with all who wish to play, not just you and the presenter.

Stefan li Rous
Barony of Bryn Gwlad
markh at

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