ANST - Banerets (was Looking for some info)

[Wohlers, Peter]

I once heard it said from a Honorable Lord (grant level) that he didn't want
to become a "Peer" for that ( in title) would be a demotion. He said that
being an Honorable Lord is higher (in period) than a master so-so or a sir
someone ( a commoner). I didn't understand his words then but after I
thought about it I now 
understand.

Pieter

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tucker [mailto:michaelt at mechatronics.com]
Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 10:10 AM
To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG
Subject: Re: ANST - Banerets (was Looking for some info)


Greetings, all, from Michael Silverhands, Baron of Stargate:

"Wohlers, Peter" wrote:
> 
> >From what I have read a "baronet' was a title one could buy from the
crown
> when the crown needed money.
> 
> it would be like a court baron ( no land just title)

Yes, that's it exactly (per my understanding of these things). That's
probably
the historical basis for baronies in fief (a.k.a. landed nobility) ranking
in
precedence after the Crown, but before the Peers; while court baronies rank
in
precedence *after* the Peers.

SCA precedence:
Crown -> Royalty -> Baronies in Fief -> Peers (Knights, Laurels, Pelicans)
->
Court Baronies -> Grants of Arms -> etc.

This differs slightly from the historical model. Baronies in fief were
"Peers of
the Realm". Knights and master artisans were accorded status similar to what
we
give an Officer of the Army or an Arthur Fiedler: highly respected, but
still
commoners. Banerets ranked *before* knights in theory, but in practice they
actually had less status than members of the Order of the Garter (who were
presumed to have earned their spurs, so to speak, not bought them).

Historical precedence:
Crown -> Royalty -> Landed nobility (dukes, barons, etc.) -> Knights of the
Garter -> Banerets -> other knights, master artisans, etc. -> commoners

This is potentially a subject of much interesting discussion and debate.
There
are many opinions as to "what" and "why"; this is just my own understanding
of
the topic. I invite others to contribute!

Yours in service,
Michael
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