[Ansteorra] Teachers, totally off subject... [MUNDANE SPAM]

[Galen W. Bevel]

I agree, so lets look for something besides "THE TEST" to base it on.
That's difficult, but not impossible. Most of the teachers that I know can
tell me who in their school is a good teacher and who is not.  If you can
do that, then there are at least subjective criteria on which such a
decision can be based.  We need to identify those criteria and objectify
them as much as possible.  Then when we can fairly identify the good
teachers, reward the hell out of them and give others the incentive to
follow their lead. We also need to bring an end to world hunger, create
equality for all mankind, and bring back the Studebaker.  Your guess as to
which will be easier.

As to being rewarded not for what you do but for what others do, that is
the story of my life and is how my yearly performance review is designed
every year.  It's called being in management.

Galen K.


> [Original Message]
> From: Delphina Champeaux <lady_rapier at yahoo.com>
> To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
 > Date: 11/14/02 3:22:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Teachers, totally off subject... [MUNDANE SPAM]
>
> The reason that I think of first is that you are not
> being rewarded on what you do but on what others do,
> you are rewarded on what the kids do on "THE TEST".
> And the kid's test scores do not show what they can
> do, or what they know.  Each child is different but
> the test is a standardize test that
> makesallowancesnces for anything.
>
> Just the first reason...
>
> Delphina
> Ledonna (12 year teacher)
>
> --- Eric Brown <caladin at io.com> wrote:
> >
> > >You want to show teachers that you appreciate them?
> > Pay them better!
> >
> > That reminds me,
> >
> > I learned something recently that kind of blew me
> > away...
> >
> > In China, a teachers pay is based on how well her
> > students perform,
> > but everytime such a thing has been suggested here,
> > even just as a bonus
> > (ie get free money for doing an extra good job) the
> > american "teachers
> > union" has come out strongly against it.
> >
> > It seems wierd to me that a Good Teacher and a
> > Crappy Teacher get payed the
> > same amount.
> > Unless the good teacher can transfer to another
> > district...
> >
> > Now I know there woudl be lots of arguments about
> > the mechanics of the deal,
> > bonus vs raises,
> > performance vs improvement on specific tests,
> > teaching to the tests instead
> > of teaching to teach...
> > and all that
> >
> > But why is is that the "teachers union" is so
> > opposed to the idea, no matter
> > how it's set up.
> > Especially when it's set up as a bonus, ie we set
> > aside extra money, and
> > it's split up at the
> > end of the year based on "how well you did", however
> > you determine that...
> >
> > I figured we had lots of teachers around on this
> > list, and i wondered why
> > they were so against pay
> > being linked to performance, other than it's harded
> > than just having pay
> > linked to seiniority...
> >
> > Can anyone tell me? You can answer privatley if you
> > don't want to spam the
> > list...
> > 'Cause it seems like a natural to me...I Mean , more
> > money is more money
> > right?
> >
> >
> > Caladin
> >
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--- Galen W. Bevel
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