Land - Re: [Ansteorra] Question 12/13

[niklas at pbgilbert.net]

I am not talking about rented property, I am speaking of private 
land...no rent exchanged or implied. The cases I am referring to are 
like the arrangement BG has with it's local site provider where BG hold 
many of it's events.

Private property, no rent charged. No ADA issues. There are also ways 
around many of the ADA provisions.

If a group is going to use private land for it's events on a regular 
basis, there needs to be a very, very, very clear understanding as to 
who's the boss, who owns the land and who calls the shots.

Other wise, that is a recipe for a disaster in the future.

With all the goofy policies the SCA BoD's have, I am not surprised they 
don't have one that makes sense covering this subject.

Just my 2 cents and your mileage will vary.

Niklas






Chass wrote:
> Aye things like the A.D.A. have to be thought through before letting a 
> camp ground be rented to a group.. because once it is rented to a groupe 
> for a weekend event it is no longer considered private property and 
> falls under camp grounds according to the federal law. Case in example 
> Gulf Wars site. Although until someone pushes it people seem to think 
> its still private property even though there is tons of case law to show 
> that it is no longer private when rented to a public organization. 
> (note: no I am not being a A.D.A. nazi right now just trying to show 
> someone another thing that has to be thought out before they open land 
> up for camping/events/groups).
> 
> Charinthalis Del Sans of the portable Chariot
> Chass Brown
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: <niklas at pbgilbert.net>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 8:15 AM
> Subject: Re: Land - Re: [Ansteorra] Question 12/13
> 
> 
>> Not just in the SCA, but in many cases where private land has been 
>> used for events and such, if folks are allowed to set up permemant 
>> camps in the same location without VERY VERY clear understandings as 
>> to usage, access, and such, over a period of time the fact that the 
>> land is not really theirs (the user not the owner) gets lost or 
>> conveneniantlly fforgotten, and the users begin to become "attached" 
>> to the land to a point that they think they (the user) now "own" the 
>> land and the real land owner has no say or is not important.
>>
>> This has happened twice in Ansteorra alone and I am sure other places.
>>
>> In Texas, the land owner in cases like this is 99.99999999999999999% 
>> of time the winner...legions of lawyers or not.
>>
>> This is a really complicated matter, that if a group wants to use 
>> private land for SCA events, they really need a "use agreement" done 
>> so as to protect all parties rights and not get in a finger pointing 
>> contest at a later date.
>>
>> It can be a very simple agreement, outlining who is what, who does 
>> what or doe not do what and such.
>>
>> One sheet of paper can prevent problems in the future.
>>
>> Just speaking from the voice of experience on this one.
>>
>> HE Niklas
>>
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